Just another simple question.......

whitesatin · 26 Aug 2003, 14:14

Is lyrics of Red Skies Disappear and Fix(Craig Adams version)were written by Eldritch?

I know our dear marian appeared that song,but don't know for certain.

Big Si · 26 Aug 2003, 14:16

whitesatin wrote:Is lyrics of Red Skies Disappear and Fix(Craig Adams version)were written by Eldritch?

Red Skies Disappear would be Gary Marx.

Fix(original version) was indeed Craig Adams' lyrics.

MrChris · 26 Aug 2003, 14:22

Yes, if my memory serves me, Marian definitely appeared in that song. 'Marian, take my hand, lie beside me on the burning sand', or some such nonsense. Speaking of which, I think Adams did indeed 'write' the 'words' to the original Fix, although I don't know if they were intended to be the words, if you see what I mean. My impression was that he just laid something down to illustrate the vocal line, and that he was just singing something that sounded the right shape, and that it was never intended to form the actual lyrics. Unless anyone else has any more information on this?

26 Aug 2003, 15:13

i thought that version of fix was adams reading from some dodgy crowley text?

MrChris · 26 Aug 2003, 18:17

That could be right.

The Green Lantern · 27 Aug 2003, 08:00

Yes, that's so. I think someone actually mentioned from what book he's reading in another thread and I believe it was Crowley, the old kook. It should be here somewhere.

27 Aug 2003, 09:00

The Green Lantern wrote:Yes, that's so. I think someone actually mentioned from what book he's reading in another thread and I believe it was Crowley, the old kook. It should be here somewhere.

dan had a stab at transcribing the lyrics here:

http://www.myheartland.co.uk/viewtopic. ... 5921#15921

Black Dahlia · 27 Aug 2003, 09:16

I thought it might be from Liber 335 "Adonis - An Allegory" by Crowley but it doesnt appaer to be - I'll have a better look through my Crowley stuff when I get a chance.

CellThree · 27 Aug 2003, 11:00

I thought it was a reading from the Necronomicon. Probably wrong though.

Black Dahlia · 27 Aug 2003, 11:06

CellThree wrote:I thought it was a reading from the Necronomicon. Probably wrong though.

Yeah. To be honest it certainly doesnt sound typically Crowley - unless its been changed somewhat in the transcribing?

Jim · 27 Aug 2003, 12:49

CellThree wrote:I thought it was a reading from the Necronomicon. Probably wrong though.

I'm sure I read that somewhere as well.....

I really should figure out how to use that "favourites" folder....

Black Dahlia · 27 Aug 2003, 13:37

Jim wrote:
CellThree wrote:I thought it was a reading from the Necronomicon. Probably wrong though.
I'm sure I read that somewhere as well.....

I really should figure out how to use that "favourites" folder....

Looking at the Necronomicon I'm sure sure its from there either. Does sound like HP Lovecraft though.

Jim · 27 Aug 2003, 13:57

It's from the book of ceremonial magic - the chapter on true black magc by AE Waite (1913)

This of course means that Crowley proabably had a hand in it too however......even though he's not the credited author.

Glad to be of help.

Jim · 27 Aug 2003, 13:59

Oh and it's from the spell - "Concerning the Experiment of Love". Basically an incantation to get someone into bed.

Which has echoes in "you could be the one".

Big Si · 27 Aug 2003, 14:01

Jim wrote:Oh and it's from the spell - "Concerning the Experiment of Love". Basically an incantation to get someone into bed.

Which has echoes in "you could be the one".

You'll be giving Planet ideas

Jim · 27 Aug 2003, 14:05

Big Si wrote:
Jim wrote:Oh and it's from the spell - "Concerning the Experiment of Love". Basically an incantation to get someone into bed.

Which has echoes in "you could be the one".
You'll be giving Planet ideas

I spend most of my time here trying to not give planet ideas....

Black Dahlia · 27 Aug 2003, 14:09

YAY FOR JIM!! now I dont have to lie awake wondering about that one (the lyrics I mean not Planet!)

Jim · 27 Aug 2003, 14:32

In fact, while I'm yammering. If anyone has an interest in religion, occultism, magik, or whatever, take a look here:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/index.htm

Basically texts from every major, minor, wacky, fictional and/or illegal world religion.

From vampire lore, through the necromonicon, to the DNA structure to king James version. And you can buy a CD of the lot for 50 dollars as well.

Wicked.

Guest · 27 Aug 2003, 14:36

Jim wrote:In fact, while I'm yammering. If anyone has an interest in religion, occultism, magik, or whatever, take a look here:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/index.htm

Basically texts from every major, minor, wacky, fictional and/or illegal world religion.

From vampire lore, through the necromonicon, to the DNA structure to king James version. And you can buy a CD of the lot for 50 dollars as well.

Wicked.

Cool! Thanks.

Black Dahlia · 27 Aug 2003, 15:04

Jim wrote:In fact, while I'm yammering. If anyone has an interest in religion, occultism, magik, or whatever, take a look here:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/index.htm

Basically texts from every major, minor, wacky, fictional and/or illegal world religion.

From vampire lore, through the necromonicon, to the DNA structure to king James version. And you can buy a CD of the lot for 50 dollars as well.

Wicked.

Jim - youre a man after my own heart

whitesatin · 27 Aug 2003, 21:27

Cool.

Thanks to all!!

Dan · 28 Aug 2003, 16:11

Jim wrote:Oh and it's from the spell - "Concerning the Experiment of Love". Basically an incantation to get someone into bed.

Which has echoes in "you could be the one".

Do you have the book? I'd like to see the correct version. I think my transcription (in the other thread) isn't too far off the mark, apart from the words I was unsure of.

Jim · 28 Aug 2003, 16:34

Here it is. The version on the record seems to be more of an adaption - the "directions" have been made to sound a bit more flowery and then added to the incantation. My guess is it's a dodgy 60s/70s rewrite.

"Whatsoever person be the object of this experiment, whether man or woman, it is needful in making it to observe the proper day and hour. Note further that it is performed by means of an image of wax or other suitable matter. Before composing it, say the following words over the wax: NOGA, JES, ASTROPOLIM, ASMO, COCCAV, BERMONA, TENTATOR, SOIGNATOR--I conjure you, ministers of love and incontinence, by Him who hath condemned you to hell! Do ye consecrate this wax in a regular manner, that it may acquire the desired virtue, by the Power of the Most Holy Adonay, Who liveth and reigneth for ever and ever. Amen.

The image must then be composed and suitable characters inscribed thereon with the male goose-quill of the Art, after which it must be fumigated while reciting the following words:--O thou most Powerful King PAYMON, whose absolute rule and reign is in the western quarter! O thou, EGIM, Most strong King, whose empire is in the cold region! O thou, ASMODEUS, who governest in the South! O thou, AYMAMON, Most noble King, monarch of the Eastern world, whose reign began from of old and will endure to the end of time! I invoke and beseech you by Him Who spake and it was, Whose sole word hath created all, Whom all creatures obey; by the seat of His Majesty; by His Will and His Name; by Him Who was before the ages and hath created the ages; Whose Name is written with the four letters JOD, HE, VAU, HE; by the enchantments and power thereof; and by all the signal Names of the Creator; I conjure you to consecrate this image and grant that it may acquire virtue according to our desire, by the Most Holy Name Adonay, the Power of which is without beginning or end.

This being done, conjure with the Conjuration of the image, and if the woman or man should not appear, place the said image beneath the pillow of your bed, and before three days you shall behold admirable things, while chains or earth shall not stay the desired person from coming to you, for the fulfilment of your purpose, nothing being excepted.

But if the experience be to find the beloved person, place the image under the door which he or she must pass. In either case a powder must be made and cast upon the person, or given them with their meat or drink. The solemnities of the hours, matters and instruments must be faithfully observed, and the Spirits conjured by name, saying also: I conjure and constrain you, ye Devils, who have the power to disturb the hearts of men and women! By Him Who hath created you from nothing and by this image, I conjure you this night into my presence, that I may have the power to compel whomsoever I will to love me, whether male or female.

When the characters and images have been prepared, say over them: I conjure you, O ANAÃ‹L, DONQUEL, THELIEL, Princes of love, and all your ministers, who have power to fill with fervour the hearts of men and women, and to kindle the fire of love! I conjure. you by Him Who is seated upon the Cherubim and guardeth the abysses, by Him Who maketh the world to tremble, Whom all creatures obey! Grant that these characters and figures may possess this virtue, that such man or woman may love. me, may desire me and thirst for my love, and that it shall be impossible for him or her to love any person save me."

Jim · 28 Aug 2003, 16:39

Dan wrote:
Jim wrote:Oh and it's from the spell - "Concerning the Experiment of Love". Basically an incantation to get someone into bed.

Which has echoes in "you could be the one".
Do you have the book? I'd like to see the correct version. I think my transcription (in the other thread) isn't too far off the mark, apart from the words I was unsure of.

Yup, you seem to have been pretty much spot on - nice one!

Black Dahlia · 28 Aug 2003, 16:57

Dont like the sound of "ministers of love and incontinence" though!