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14 Jan 2021, 19:10
How do you do a rolling round in the floor pissing myself emoji :idea:

To be fair Gift never pulled the birds in the same way as Floodland did.
So now we know, it was all done as a favour to attract feathered snacks for Spiggy.
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13 Jan 2021, 21:19
Problem with remasters these days is that most of them are well & truly ruined. Brick walled into oblivion by someone who thinks it should be louder.
There was nothing really wrong with Gift at all in terms of mastering. It'd be hard to improve it to be fair.
Probably. And true.

Maybe not remastered then, maybe remixed. As Gift was a foretelling of what was to come with Floodland (the greatest album of all time) t could use a little of the Floodland sugar. There is a naivety in Gift, perhaps due to the rushed nature of its production, that is while charming is still a bit rough.

I’d love to hear Gift sound as full and meaty as Floodland in all its glory. Retain the dynamics, resist brickwalling it to death, and if Von is at the helm he’d be inclined to control that. He is a great producer and engineer after all

Anyway we all know it’s unlikely so we’re all speculating and dreaming what ifs. In a Rick & Morty parallel universe somewhere, Von is knocking out new albums every week (and parallel heartlanders are complaining he’s too prolific)
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The thought of Von "knocking one out" has put me right off my socially distanced snow ball fight.
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Swinnow wrote:
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The thought of Von "knocking one out" has put me right off my socially distanced snow ball fight.
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The thought of Von "knocking one out" has put me right off my socially distanced snow ball fight.
That depends, is the thought of young behatted and sunglassed and cheekboned Von, or of the less young bald and dehatted Von.
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14 Jan 2021, 18:37
Was going to make the same point, what is there to re-master? It sounds fine as it is. It'll just end up being overcooked.
Agreed. I recently blasted through this on earphones (files ripped from the original proper CD) and it sounded damn good. I wouldn't buy a remaster unless the sound was truly different and/or there were actual extras.

Damn, ebay has CD copies going for $40+. Amazon has the usual insanity where a third market seller lists a used copy at $900+!
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For me it was always about the extras. The two 7" mixes and whatever else it might have been possible to rustle up.
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Did someone on here (@Pat?) create this "Pat mix" of the album?

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No idea when I got those mp3s, but they've been in my library (alongside a copy of the standard CD ripped to mp3) for a few years.

Note they have the 2 single versions as extra tracks... I haven't listened to them for a while but I'm assuming they are vinyl rips.
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If the md5sum of track 6 is 9b23a8bd23585e0c3d303836a7bfb9c8 then it's my vinyl rip :lol:

Edit to add: changing the ID3 tags on an mp3 changes its MD5 hash so that might not be totally helpful. If it's an obvious vinyl rip with some crackle then the two tracks from the single might be from my rip.
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@QB I did a rip for Mr Blast, did he send you a copy?

It was tweaked to suit his taste. Lot's of kick from the drums, big bass and the soundstage opened up.

@MF All clicks had been removed so if it sounds like a vinyl transfer it's not mine. :innocent:
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@QB I did a rip for Mr Blast, did he send you a copy?

It was tweaked to suit his taste. Lot's of kick from the drums, big bass and the soundstage opened up.

@MF All clicks had been removed so if it sounds like a vinyl transfer it's not mine. :innocent:
ah yes, now you mention it i think he sent it to me :von: :notworthy:
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the general pleb even amongst our sacred Sisterhood wouldnt know a remaster from a remix and more often than not wont even listen at a respectable volume. its a reissue with extras usually and as we know apart from the 7" versiions of GG therer are no extraS
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And if you dont own gift on vinyl and cd already thats nobodies fault but own. its 35 years old ffs :roll: :von:

EDIT: listening to a cd-r of a .flac needledrop of the vinly and there is NOTHING to improve on. go on thee of little faith and play it at a DECENT FUCKING VOLUME ands tell me that the intro to Rain From Heaven isn't second only the intro to "kiss the carpet".
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Yep, Rain From Heaven has always sounded fantastic to me. A real favourite.
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Rain From Heaven has a groove that is missing from most of Gift. I always wondered what might have happened to the track if Steinman had been let loose on it.
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Swinnow wrote:
14 Jan 2021, 19:36
paint it black wrote:
14 Jan 2021, 19:10
How do you do a rolling round in the floor pissing myself emoji :idea:

To be fair Gift never pulled the birds in the same way as Floodland did.
So now we know, it was all done as a favour to attract feathered snacks for Spiggy.
I meant me, and was musing Gift is quite a difficult listen for an outsider to the scene, when compared to the hit (in more than one way) laden Floodland.
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I meant me, and was musing Gift is quite a difficult listen for an outsider to the scene, when compared to the hit (in more than one way) laden Floodland.
Aha, a bit asking 'Do you like my Etchings?' and putting Stop The World on the stereo :lol:
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19 Jan 2021, 19:30
And if you dont own gift on vinyl and cd already thats nobodies fault but own. its 35 years old ffs :roll: :von:

EDIT: listening to a cd-r of a .flac needledrop of the vinly and there is NOTHING to improve on. go on thee of little faith and play it at a DECENT FUCKING VOLUME ands tell me that the intro to Rain From Heaven isn't second only the intro to "kiss the carpet".
Bollocks. So unless you were there in 1985 to buy an original you can f**k right off? That rules out an entire generation of new listeners.

Elitist snobbery mate. Got no time or patience for that kind of nonsense
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And if you dont own gift on vinyl and cd already thats nobodies fault but own. its 35 years old ffs :roll: :von:

EDIT: listening to a cd-r of a .flac needledrop of the vinly and there is NOTHING to improve on. go on thee of little faith and play it at a DECENT FUCKING VOLUME ands tell me that the intro to Rain From Heaven isn't second only the intro to "kiss the carpet".
Bollocks. So unless you were there in 1985 to buy an original you can f**k right off? That rules out an entire generation of new listeners.

Elitist snobbery mate. Got no time or patience for that kind of nonsense
not at all. i bought a vinyl copy the day it came it out but like most of my (mostly well looked after) vinyl i was forced to buy a second copy years later.
and i didn't even own a CD player until i moved off the road around 2006/7. in fact i didnt buy Gift on CD until a couple of years ago. my actual point (for those who didn't read my post in full before throwing their teddies against the wall in response to an out of context part of it) is that marketing this -probably non-existatnt- reissue as something new is at best an irrelevance and at worst a trick. by all means it should be reissued if the demand is there (like in the old days when LP's were constantly being reissued due to an ongoing demand that exceeded the original number of copies pressed) and i for one would rather be able to buy a new copy in either format without having to dig up all the Nazi art treasures my Swiss uncle Toby Lerone left me but their is no need for remnixing or remastering .....unlesss the original masters are actually lost.
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eastmidswhizzkid wrote:
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DJElectricDaddy wrote:
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eastmidswhizzkid wrote:
19 Jan 2021, 19:30
And if you dont own gift on vinyl and cd already thats nobodies fault but own. its 35 years old ffs :roll: :von:

EDIT: listening to a cd-r of a .flac needledrop of the vinly and there is NOTHING to improve on. go on thee of little faith and play it at a DECENT FUCKING VOLUME ands tell me that the intro to Rain From Heaven isn't second only the intro to "kiss the carpet".
Bollocks. So unless you were there in 1985 to buy an original you can f**k right off? That rules out an entire generation of new listeners.

Elitist snobbery mate. Got no time or patience for that kind of nonsense
not at all. i bought a vinyl copy the day it came it out but like most of my (mostly well looked after) vinyl i was forced to buy a second copy years later.
and i didn't even own a CD player until i moved off the road around 2006/7. in fact i didnt buy Gift on CD until a couple of years ago. my actual point (for those who didn't read my post in full before throwing their teddies against the wall in response to an out of context part of it) is that marketing this -probably non-existatnt- reissue as something new is at best an irrelevance and at worst a trick. by all means it should be reissued if the demand is there (like in the old days when LP's were constantly being reissued due to an ongoing demand that exceeded the original number of copies pressed) and i for one would rather be able to buy a new copy in either format without having to dig up all the Nazi art treasures my Swiss uncle Toby Lerone left me but their is no need for remnixing or remastering .....unlesss the original masters are actually lost.
Not sure what the actual point was among all that waffle but it sounded like you were contradicting yourself. But let me get this straight, you did buy the CD or you didn’t? You do want a reissue or you don’t? Hard to keep up

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Ahem, 86. I'd give up my Paris Riots l.p. For an 85 issue of Gift 😂😂😂

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Swinnow wrote:
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I meant me, and was musing Gift is quite a difficult listen for an outsider to the scene, when compared to the hit (in more than one way) laden Floodland.
Aha, a bit asking 'Do you like my Etchings?' and putting Stop The World on the stereo :lol:
The good old days where crushed velvet and black tower was all the girl needed. Not with you on Stop the World though :? surely that was a guilty pleasure :lol:
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Wer'e working on it...

Actually some good stuff this month. I'm gonna buy at least a couple of things
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The good old days where crushed velvet and black tower was all the girl needed. Not with you on Stop the World though :? surely that was a guilty pleasure :lol:
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