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Quiff Boy wrote:
25 Oct 2020, 10:58
It would be ignored by a great many people, but also reviewed by the best as one of most eagerly awaited follow up albums in decades. The weight of critical pressure would kill it, tbh.

Unless it was a 27 star rated album (out of 5 stars, obvs), it would get trashed by the music press.

Similarly, if it wasn’t FALAA mk 2, many people would hate it.

And it if wasn’t Floodland mk 2, many other people would hate it.

Etc

He’s in a no win situation with it.

Their sound hasn’t evolved as much since VT as it did between the other albums so a new album now, using their current live sound/style would not be seen as revolutionary, so he wouldn’t get the slack cut him that he did for example with VT

It’s a no win situation for him, critically, and possibly a career and business damaging move. As well as an ego damaging move.

As it stands he has a hardcore following and a reputation that, while slightly diminishing year upon year, is still intact enough to sell gig tickets and keep him in pot noodles.

Releasing anything less than The Best Album Ever (as judged by lots and lots of people, all using different criteria) could be a very bad move for The Sisters’ reputation.

It’s a bad move for his ego and for his business.

At least, that’s what I strongly suspect he thinks. Even though he’s never admit it. 🤷‍♂️

(That was all typed on a phone. Apologies if it doesn’t quite scan!)
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You can have singles and not album :innocent: :innocent:

Then there will be no ground for critics as there will be no LP to howl and rawr and scream etc about :twisted: :twisted:

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I think Quiffy's absolutely correct if Von were to do an "album as a statement" release. Unfortunately that ship has sailed a long time ago.

Putting out some low-key 4-track EPs might be an entirely different matter, and might offer an opportunity to get some tunes out without the attendant pressure and expectations of a full LP.

The key thing is, of course, whether or not Von sees it that way.
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I suspect years in the wilderness have not been kind to Von’s self doubt and insecurity.

A lot of quotes people attribute to him are from 20+ years ago. And the more recent stuff to me ends up sounding like bravado, with a hint of denial and over compensation.

I dont know if a single release would cut it either tbh. Similar weight of pressure, but with less content to answer back with. If that makes sense.

And yes. MH is right. Ultimately this is all supposition and us presuming to know what’s going on in his head. Which we will never know, especially because he’s spent 40 years lying and bullsh*tting about it to anyone that’s interviews him 😂
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Sadly, that seems to all make perfect sense, and has made me more pessimistic about any new release than ever before. Hopefully I'll at least get to see them live again if the apocalypse ever ends.
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I thought Apocalypse was something final not a break but whatever :lol: :lol: ;D :bat:
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iesus wrote:
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I thought Apocalypse was something final not a break but whatever :lol: :lol: ;D :bat:
That's a good point 😆
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I thought Apocalypse were a band sometimes seen on those 'evil' euro-Metal festival bills :lol:
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iesus wrote:
25 Oct 2020, 12:51
I thought Apocalypse was something final not a break but whatever :lol: :lol: ;D :bat:
Merly a final for humankind and world as we know it, nothing big, at least according to some fantasy book.
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On topic, sorta: AE is at the position when he has nothing to lose but nothing to gain either.
I can't tell if he and if yes the how much he cares about legacy. He done two albums that had some impact on music. Now it's not likely that any possible new album would do this, but I don't think if there's an urge, need nor necessity for achieving this, in fact it would be stupid to expect this. Showing that he can still write decent songs, to prove his musicwise, with witty lyrics is all, at least to me.

This could bring some bigger noise, so he could possibly jump, for a while, from 1-2k ppl venues to 2,5-4, and make some extra money, but we don't know if he has desire for this.

I expect nothing, yet after last tour I cannot wait to see them again.
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One reason to do it were doing a favour to those who've been awaiting some new release for so long.
Or just out of pleasure. The rest is tedious debates completely fallen out of time in these days , IMHO.
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One reason to do it were doing a favour to those who've been awaiting some new release for so long.
Or just out of pleasure. The rest is tedious debates completely fallen out of time in these days , IMHO.
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Swinnow wrote:
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Being645 wrote:
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One reason to do it were doing a favour to those who've been awaiting some new release for so long.
Or just out of pleasure. The rest is tedious debates completely fallen out of time in these days , IMHO.
Norfolk 'n' chance then :lol:
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Being645 wrote:
26 Oct 2020, 23:13
Swinnow wrote:
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Norfolk 'n' chance then :lol:
:?:
It's just a bit of word play on "no fucking chance". Where it comes from I've Norfolk ''n'' idea. Probably football related.
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Yep, by all accounts its a football thing.

Found this on a random footy forum:
It originates from an excellent book about Norwich City & the excellent 1993/4 season.The book is called Norfolk ''N'' Good & it''s by Kevin Baldwin.
(Norwich a city in the county of Norfolk for the non-UK folks out there)

Same principle as Sofa King :D

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Ah, thank you both for the explanations ... :) ... sounds reasonably English ... :lol: ...
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Quiff Boy wrote:
25 Oct 2020, 10:58
It would be ignored by a great many people, but also reviewed by the best as one of most eagerly awaited follow up albums in decades. The weight of critical pressure would kill it, tbh.

Unless it was a 27 star rated album (out of 5 stars, obvs), it would get trashed by the music press.

Similarly, if it wasn’t FALAA mk 2, many people would hate it.

And it if wasn’t Floodland mk 2, many other people would hate it.

Etc

He’s in a no win situation with it.

Their sound hasn’t evolved as much since VT as it did between the other albums so a new album now, using their current live sound/style would not be seen as revolutionary, so he wouldn’t get the slack cut him that he did for example with VT

It’s a no win situation for him, critically, and possibly a career and business damaging move. As well as an ego damaging move.

As it stands he has a hardcore following and a reputation that, while slightly diminishing year upon year, is still intact enough to sell gig tickets and keep him in pot noodles.

Releasing anything less than The Best Album Ever (as judged by lots and lots of people, all using different criteria) could be a very bad move for The Sisters’ reputation.
I should have been more precise in my original posting. Ben asked me what would happen if they released an "OK" album, which imho kind of reflects a lot of your thoughts. There would obviously be a lot of pressure from all sides. Now I'm convinced that they as a band are very much convinced of the new songs, and I guess it's no coincidence that there seem to be elements in them that can please fans of any given period of the band. His follow up question was "would more or less people come to the shows", which, for me, made clear that Andrew/the band consider the shows (and the merch perhaps) as today's main product of the band.

ON THE OTHER HAND there's clearly been that spirit of everything goes last year and even more this year, and I interviewed Ben a month before this year's tour started, so there might have been further discussions about this, and maybe they had something planned which is now on hold for obvious reasons.
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doctor_jeep wrote:
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His follow up question was "would more or less people come to the shows", which, for me, made clear that Andrew/the band consider the shows (and the merch perhaps) as today's main product of the band.
Interesting!

That's pretty much what I was getting at with my (admittedly slightly pessimistic) post above.
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Mind you, that' s only my interpretation of that question. And that was before they presented 3 more new songs (lyrics for even more on the website not included) , and even opened a show with one of them. Imho that's a bold move. For me it was a sign they might at least be talking about stuff. I'm as calculated pessimistic as you are, but I felt a strong sense of occasion too.
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can't remember, did the man offer a new album for Trump to being voted in or voted out?
so, he just waited for legal confirmation i assume. great
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jost 7 wrote:
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can't remember, did the man offer a new album for Trump to being voted in or voted out?
so, he just waited for legal confirmation i assume. great
His excuse was valid...Trump was beyond parody, so why bother?

Aside from the obvious fact that he didn't expect Trump to be elected and so could make such a BS claim re: putting out an album.
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A very interesting thread with lots of smart comments.
Andrew has left it far to late to be a pop star.
That ship has sailed.
His voice isn’t up to much but that can be sorted in the recording studio.
It’s now a few questions.
Is the touring and tee shirts his job now?
Will Covid force him to look elsewhere for income?
Does he want to please fans who have loyally followed him for years?
Does he see himself as an artist or as a jobbing singer?
Are the unrecorded and new songs any good really?
My opinion on that is he JUST has enough good songs to make a good album.
Ben deserves to be part of the recorded history of the band having been part of the live history for so long.
Bruce Watson of Big Country has toured his version of that band from a unit that can sell thousands to a band that now plays very small venues.
It would be a shame to see the same happen to TSOM.
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Moderate Mick wrote:
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A very interesting thread with lots of smart comments.
Andrew has left it far to late to be a pop star.
That ship has sailed.
His voice isn’t up to much but that can be sorted in the recording studio.
It’s now a few questions.
Is the touring and tee shirts his job now?
Will Covid force him to look elsewhere for income?
Does he want to please fans who have loyally followed him for years?
Does he see himself as an artist or as a jobbing singer?
Are the unrecorded and new songs any good really?
My opinion on that is he JUST has enough good songs to make a good album.
Ben deserves to be part of the recorded history of the band having been part of the live history for so long.
Bruce Watson of Big Country has toured his version of that band from a unit that can sell thousands to a band that now plays very small venues.
It would be a shame to see the same happen to TSOM.
My own $0.02:

Is the touring and tee shirts his job now? Has been for 25 years...
Will Covid force him to look elsewhere for income? He can probably get some producer credit or get asked to noodle some movie music (he's referenced this before). I doubt he'd have to scramble, must be well off after all these years.
Does he want to please fans who have loyally followed him for years? No.
Does he see himself as an artist or as a jobbing singer? An artist who can still draw crowds without releasing product.
Are the unrecorded and new songs any good really? He's been playing some great tunes for 20+ years, and the newer ones have promise.
My opinion on that is he JUST has enough good songs to make a good album. He only made albums in the vinyl age, meaning you only needed about 40-45 minutes to turn in an LP. He skipped the CD age (60+ minutes) and we're now in the whatever this is age. I think he has plenty of material.
Ben deserves to be part of the recorded history of the band having been part of the live history for so long. Sure, but he didn't care if Adam, or Chris, or Mike, or Chris were part of it...
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