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PALAZZOGRASSI - PHANTOM TWINS

Posted: 04 Oct 2005, 17:03
by Silence is platinum
Few questions left without an answer on this forum so i ll try this again

1)Who were the Phantom twins, they seemed to have access to the sisters stuff, some remixes demos and above all "wide receiver" was brought to us by them

2) What happened to "reverberation across the nation" boot (Rome 85)
why was this never released?

3)Does anyone own one of their legendary postcards?


dankeschoen

Posted: 04 Oct 2005, 17:09
by nick the stripper
They were Andrew, right?

Posted: 04 Oct 2005, 17:13
by Quiff Boy
as with all things sisters, there are a few versions of the truth with this. i can only tell you the one i know... it may or may not be 100% accurate :?

one of the "twins" was a guy (called dave i think), who ran BAD record shop in leeds

it is my understanding that he was friendly with various members of the sisters camp and obtained copies of various soundboard recordings etc from these people, some of whom engineered at the gigs or were mates of band members and had access to the band's personal archives.

the idea being :

dave: " i love the sisters! i wonder what a recording of that gig would have sounded like!"

a.n.other: "i have a soundboard that andy requested we do. if you let me have it back i can lend it to you..."

dave: "that would be great!"

dave gets tape, sends it off to italy for pressing (where s**t like that was legal), then hands the recording back.

shortly afterwards a boot of said recording surfaces.

like i say, thats only my understanding of it and is by no means the whole story... but a couple of people from the aforementioned "sisters camp" have described similar scenarios to me, and both are far from amused by it, and feel a little cheated.

potentially, this could be why eldritch professes to not like bootleggers... :?

Posted: 04 Oct 2005, 17:18
by Dark
At least the recordings were good quality.

I know two people who have my demo songs. Thankfully, I think they may have forgotten about them. But if they get out (apart from being secretly quite pleased), I'll know who did it. :lol:

Posted: 04 Oct 2005, 17:24
by Quiff Boy
i dont actually know much about about their back catalogue, and have never heard of "reverberation across the nation".

when was it supposed to be "released"?

was it by any chance the last recording they did(nt) release? maybe someone in the chain realised what was going on and stopped it :?:

Posted: 04 Oct 2005, 17:52
by Dark
25 test pressings exist. But the actual LP was never released. Shame too.

Posted: 04 Oct 2005, 17:59
by Silence is platinum
Reverberation... was to be released after the "silence is platinum" single box but was postponed, which makes it an early release. This according to the sleeve notes was a 50 copies only lp from Rome 85 along with a full discography as an insert.

What is weird though to what Quiff is mentioning is that an article about the Phantom twins was published in U T R with the headline "an island in a stream" ,cause of the good quality they releases always were.

The postcards were 20 - 25 and is probably the weirdest thing a bootleger has ever made
i d love to see one

Posted: 04 Oct 2005, 18:42
by Quiff Boy
was that definitely UTR though?

i rememberreading something about bootleg reviews in the heartland fanzine, where those ones received some praise for their quality etc, but i'm not familiar with all UTR editions...

Posted: 04 Oct 2005, 19:14
by Dark

Posted: 04 Oct 2005, 19:31
by Quiff Boy
just been emailed scans of the Palazzograssi Christmas Card from an anonymous benefactor:

http://www.myheartland.co.uk/gallery/de ... ge_id=1114
http://www.myheartland.co.uk/gallery/de ... ge_id=1113

:notworthy:

Posted: 04 Oct 2005, 19:32
by eastmidswhizzkid
i'm sure i've seen a rome 85 vinyl boot -well definitely i've seen a rome bootleg,purple on black styling a la the reptile house...don't remember what the name was. :?:

Posted: 04 Oct 2005, 21:00
by Drsisters
There is a vinyl bootleg called we´re all aware of that or some such. available as both pic disc and sleeve bootleg. Incomplete show of course :twisted:
Also availabe on cd as black planet bootleg.

Posted: 04 Oct 2005, 21:35
by Big Si
Drsisters wrote:There is a vinyl bootleg called we´re all aware of that or some such. available as both pic disc and sleeve bootleg. Incomplete show of course :twisted:
Bought it for about £12 in 1990 from Middlesbrough record fair. Good quality sound too! :D

Posted: 05 Oct 2005, 06:06
by Silence is platinum
Quiff Boy wrote:just been emailed scans of the Palazzograssi Christmas Card from an anonymous benefactor:

http://www.myheartland.co.uk/gallery/de ... ge_id=1114
http://www.myheartland.co.uk/gallery/de ... ge_id=1113

:notworthy:

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another legend revealed :D

Posted: 05 Oct 2005, 07:30
by Dark
Only 25 in existance (at the time of making, many may have been thrown away after Xmas, or lost), and we got scans. ;D

Posted: 06 Oct 2005, 01:24
by Dan
Was the Palazzograssi Rome boot supposed to be soundboard then, or one of the various sources that's already available?

Posted: 24 Oct 2019, 22:03
by andreww100
Did any of the test pressings surface? Be interesting to get a rip of Reverberation Across The Nation.

Posted: 25 Oct 2019, 03:00
by Being645
andreww100 wrote:Did any of the test pressings surface? Be interesting to get a rip of Reverberation Across The Nation.
Check this page ... and a rip looks much closer than one might think ... :) ...

Posted: 25 Oct 2019, 08:00
by andreww100
Thanks.

I see “same master� used for Were All Aware Of That.

I was interested as someone had taken the time to register the test pressing at discogs. Plus you never know, the pressing might have been different quality wise.

Andrew

Posted: 05 Nov 2019, 12:06
by Randall Flagg
andreww100 wrote:Thanks.

I see “same master� used for Were All Aware Of That.

I was interested as someone had taken the time to register the test pressing at discogs. Plus you never know, the pressing might have been different quality wise.

Andrew
the 50 were done as white labels on black vinyl ahead of the picture disc run - so were the first off the stampers, the same metalwork was used for the black vinyl Clean Sound reissue that came later.

Flagg

Re: PALAZZOGRASSI - PHANTOM TWINS

Posted: 03 May 2021, 12:39
by andreww100

Re: PALAZZOGRASSI - PHANTOM TWINS

Posted: 03 May 2021, 23:57
by Randall Flagg
who's Dave... ?

Re: PALAZZOGRASSI - PHANTOM TWINS

Posted: 04 May 2021, 00:25
by iesus
From what was written before, it seems one of the "Phantom twins" :bat:

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Posted: 04 May 2021, 18:44
by paul
Being645 wrote:
25 Oct 2019, 03:00
andreww100 wrote:Did any of the test pressings surface? Be interesting to get a rip of Reverberation Across The Nation.
Check this page ... and a rip looks much closer than one might think ... :) ...
My copy:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/F1ffYU2h7xpTJirx7

Re: Re:

Posted: 04 May 2021, 18:54
by andreww100
paul wrote:
04 May 2021, 18:44
My copy:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/F1ffYU2h7xpTJirx7
That is super cool Paul.

How does the audio compare Were All Aware of That? Do you have a FLAC transfer of the pressing?

Thanks
Andrew