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Posted: 29 Oct 2014, 11:38
by markfiend
million voices wrote:.....what if "Rock" and "Hard Place" are the pseudonyms of two ultra butch gay boys that the narrator is meeting later.

That is why he is not over enamoured, and keen to get rid of, his present female company.

He can't actually remember the name of the bar where he's meeting the two boys but it's on the High Street between "Devil's" night club and a fish & chip shop called "Deep Blue Sea".
Brilliant :lol: :notworthy:

Re: A Rock And A Hard Place

Posted: 28 Dec 2020, 11:53
by million voices
Apologies for the archaeological dig

Maybe "There wasn't a part of me that didn't want to say goodbye"

Means ALL of me didn't want to say goodbye

i.e. he DIDN'T want to leave her

Re: A Rock And A Hard Place

Posted: 29 Dec 2020, 14:00
by markfiend
No wait - "There wasn't a part of me that didn't want to say goodbye" means all of me *did* want to say goodbye...

doesn't it? :lol:

Re: A Rock And A Hard Place

Posted: 29 Dec 2020, 20:51
by million voices
What I mean is

If there wasn't a part of him that didnt want to say goodbye.

Then there was all of him or none of him that didn't want to say goodbye

If you have all of him that didn't want to say goodbye then that seems to fit in better with the sentiment of the song as I perceive it.

It is a love that he has had to give up either for his benefit or for the girlies.

Re: A Rock And A Hard Place

Posted: 30 Dec 2020, 12:27
by Being645
I'd say it was an act of compassion rather than a love that was brought to an end ... no one would do that to a love... :wink: ... And that exactly is also not easily conveyed to those concerned and brings about some painful moments the protagoist preferred to avoid by a not very heroic chickening out ... followed by this self-righteous and sentimental confession ... hell, but the schepper is just great in this song ... ;D ...

Anyway, I prefer The Repitle House EP, Some Kind of Stranger (Early), Vision Thing and SSV. But that was, of course, not always the case ... :lol: ...

Re: A Rock And A Hard Place

Posted: 31 May 2021, 15:00
by mh
Wayne's book wrote: By this time I had been introduced to a group of people that Craig and Andrew had dallied with on their previous East Coast visit. Three of them lived together in an apartment near Washington Square. There was Lisa who was Craig’s friend, and Jenny with her bangles and her reference...
Waiting for Another War expands on this and tells the full story. Still no idea about Igor or the missing word, though.

Re: A Rock And A Hard Place

Posted: 01 Jun 2021, 20:05
by czuczu
Was Craig always Lurch but never Igor? :/

I'm backing MV's chip shop analogy above, flawlessly argued :)

Re: A Rock And A Hard Place

Posted: 07 Oct 2021, 16:14
by Shalaidah
Around 2000 when I was just starting to be a fully dressed goth, I made friend's with a blokie online who recorded lots of his albums for me. He had the original vinyl sort and the missing word was 'Love', on the version I have.

My take on the song is he fell for someone who was quite tortured in her mind ( maybe coming from a previous violent relationship), felt sorry for her and they got close. The friendship started to grow into something more and she finally started to trust him but he cheated on her with someone else (rock and a hardplace, between the devil and the deep blue sea). He felt guilt and decided to end their friendship/semi relationship before it started but wondered if she would try and find him to take him back. In other words did she feel the connection like he had always felt and would find herself back with him but doubts it due to how he sort of cheated on her.

Re: A Rock And A Hard Place

Posted: 07 Oct 2021, 16:57
by Pista
Hello @Shalaidah & welcome to Heartland :)