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Brideshead Revisited – Evelyn Waugh

Von and his plagiarism is everywhere. I recently started re-reading this novel and passages started leaping out at me. Not necessarily the actual words but more the theme or meter. Did he one night read the opening chapters to while away the hours and jot down a few ideas on the back of a Marlboro packet?

When setting the scene at the start of Book One …

“It was Eights week. Oxford – submerged now and obliterated, irrecoverable as the Lyonese, so quickly have the waters come flooding in …� Flood I & II?

When describing the catholic chapel at Brideshead Castle "…on the walls, the names of saints painted in black and gold …" Heartland?

Charles Ryder, narrator, in a reflective mood "…“Looking back now, after twenty years, there is little I would have left undone or done otherwise …� This Corrosion?

“I knew her for an uncongenial stranger to whom I had bound myself indissolubly in a moment of folly …� Claire? Inspiration for NWN or SKOS?

“How could I help them, who could so little help themselves …� Torch?

Anthony Blanche, character, quoting extracts from The Waste Land …

Hmm …

The TV series was filmed on location at Castle Howard and Oxford University around 1980 and first aired by Granada in 1981. It would have been news in the Yorkshire area as it featured a cast including Jeremy Irons, Anthony Andrews, Sir Laurence Olivier, and Claire Bloom, amongst others.

So, did the Oxford and Yorkshire connections make him curious? Or was it the blurb on the jacket “ …Evelyn Waugh’s best-loved, most passionate and most poignant novel of a doomed aristocratic (think middle class) Catholic family …�

Did Andrew take to carrying a teddy bear called Aloysius wherever he went around this time? Perhaps Quiffy can check with the nice Mr Marx?

Perhaps I need to get out more.
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so it's you who's been visiting the lyrics section of my site :roll:
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hallucienate wrote:so it's you who's been visiting the lyrics section of my site :roll:
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The Flood and Heartland references look interesting. Well done that man.
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pretty sure body electric comes from the idiot by conrad but i could be wrong (yes i know all about walt whitman ). see it's all about idiot children and stuff :roll:
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just so you all know, last night i was reading "the wasteland" and "gerontion" by t.s.e., and there was a reference in the back about evelyn waugh and how eliot was a huge fan, i'll post the exact line and reference later... besides the floorshow and dominion references in the previous mentioned poems, has anyone found any more?

i think that eldritch discovered waugh through eliot...

this is the problem when eldritch's references are references themselves!
but he obviously would do this intentionally to make his lyrics more compact and dense...

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aaron_quinton wrote:just so you all know, last night i was reading "the wasteland" and "gerontion" by t.s.e., and there was a reference in the back about evelyn waugh and how eliot was a huge fan, i'll post the exact line and reference later... besides the floorshow and dominion references in the previous mentioned poems, has anyone found any more?

i think that eldritch discovered waugh through eliot...

this is the problem when eldritch's references are references themselves!
but he obviously would do this intentionally to make his lyrics more compact and dense...

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nine while nine and logic are picked from eliot too, there are other bits, can't remember right now :(

btw - eliot referenced others, it was his big joke, gettit :wink:
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well it may be for irony's sake that he referenced eliot, but i think it was also to get a bunch of illiterate punk kids in the eighties to start reading literature more often, which would probally apply even more now-days...

problem is here in the states, for instance, he would have to include instructions for opening a book in the lyrics sheet...
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aaron_quinton wrote:well it may be for irony's sake that he referenced eliot, but i think it was also to get a bunch of illiterate punk kids in the eighties to start reading literature more often, which would probally apply even more now-days...

problem is here in the states, for instance, he would have to include instructions for opening a book in the lyrics sheet...
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was thinking more. read eliot @ skool doing A-levels, liked the idea, thought "i can make this mine" a lot of art-work, lyric and quotation, reference ideas that eliot plagerised from elsewhere

e.g body & soul : dante --- > wasteland

it's still bloody good you don't have to be able to read to enjoy the songs though. IMHO 8)
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