Victims Of Circumstance

[allfear]

so whats the real story behind the legendary Victims Of Circumstance did gary marx really make the first compilation ? and if so whay is there that annoying faade during knockin?

Matt

[Spiggy's hat]

so whats the real story behind the legendary Victims Of Circumstance did gary marx really make the first compilation ? and if so whay is there that annoying faade during knockin?

Matt

I first bought it on cassette at a record fair in Leeds circa 1988. It had a colour photocopied cover that was based on the Body & Soul artwork.

Some of the studio stuff was terrible quality, surely GM would have had top quality versions??

[wayne]

and wouldn't be copying some tracks from vinyl - there are a few variants of this tape floating about - the idea may have been corrupted and added to over the years

Some of the studio stuff was terrible quality, surely GM would have had top quality versions??

[jost 7]

was this tape the main-source of the gardens of delight? or does an ae version exist which is not that dull like all the versions i came across during the years? does anybody know exactly when this one was recorded?

track lists i have seem to be mixed up - does the tape feature a demo of skos?

whats the problem with emma? did the lead guitar mysteriously disappear (a phenomenon well known from sisters-recording-history), or only got lost in the mix?

finally, dance on glass has great sound - not that much of the cold war in it than in bp. i guess wayne never was into the cold war as von was.

[Spiggy's hat]

was this tape the main-source of the gardens of delight? or does an ae version exist which is not that dull like all the versions i came across during the years? does anybody know exactly when this one was recorded?

track lists i have seem to be mixed up - does the tape feature a demo of skos?

whats the problem with emma? did the lead guitar mysteriously disappear (a phenomenon well known from sisters-recording-history), or only got lost in the mix?

finally, dance on glass has great sound - not that much of the cold war in it than in bp. i guess wayne never was into the cold war as von was.

[Spiggy's hat]

was this tape the main-source of the gardens of delight? or does an ae version exist which is not that dull like all the versions i came across during the years? does anybody know exactly when this one was recorded?

track lists i have seem to be mixed up - does the tape feature a demo of skos?

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It was the 1st time I came accross the Garden of Delight demo, although it had been recorded 3-4 years earlier. Some people close to the band must have had it since the mid 80's?

I can't remember if my tape had SKOS demo not?

[jost 7]

from a well known source:

Victims of Circumstance
Ghostrider/Sister Ray/Red Skies Disappear/Dance on Glass/a Rock
and a Hard Place/Garden of Delight/Garden of Delight/Knockin' on
Heaven's Door/Serpent's Kiss/Emma/Jessica's Crime/Afterhours/a
Rock and a Hard Place/Temple of love/Some Kind of Stranger

following this skos should be a demo
is jessica's crime related to the band in any way (remix eg.)?
where are the live tracks from?
one of my favourite versions of serpenst kiss - anybody ever heard a version from these sessions with vocals?

[Dan]

I bought my copy of this from a certain little downstairs shop in Leeds in October/November 1987.

Tracklist
Side A
Ghostrider/Sister Ray [Melkweg, 2.6.84]
Red Skies Disappear (to the tune of First & Last & Always)
Dance On Glass (to the tune if Black Planet)
A Rock & A Hard Place (disco mix)
Garden Of Delight (Hussey)
Garden Of Delight (Eldritch)
Knockin on Heavens door (demo)
Serpent's Kiss (instrumental demo)
Side B
Emma (demo)
Jessica's Crime [Salvation demo. produced by Hussey]
Afterhours (remix)
*Jolene [peel session??]
*Knockin' on Heavens Door [Hamburg 21.9.85 w/Skeletal Family]
A Rock & A Hard Place (demo)
Temple of Love [Paradiso 28.8.83]
Some Kind Of Stranger [Lyceum 25.3.85]
No Time To Cry (demo)


*these 2 not listed on cassette insert
also no dates listed, I worked those out myself

As for the songs that have fades, one of the Garden Of Delights has a fade whereas the same version on a 7" doesn't have a fade, so maybe some prick deliberately put a fade in so he had a better version than everyone else to w*** over.

[taylor]

VICTIMS OF CIRCUMSTANCE * 16 Rare tracks Demos tape (inc Corrossion Demo)

This is a 1st generation copy tape that I obtained from the person who originally sold it in 1987 through the NME small ads section
The person who I got it from Gareth Fachett gave me one of the
very first copies but the tape snapped after he recorded it henceMy tape (BASF LH-MI c90) contains "Serpents Kiss" demo 84 at the end of side A
It also featuring a Corrossion Demo at end of side B.
When I got it the tape the single doesn't come out yet so at time I believed that it was an unreleased song. I had ring up the record company and them told me that Sisters had split up and no single was plan up. After few months This corrossion was on the shops. The song later appeared on Demos lp and it's slight different to final mix, especially for few lyrics of Pat at the end.
After I discovered that I was Aired in Usa for a American college and than broadcasted. the maiority of tapes don't have this and this track has appeared lately on very bootleg few bootlegs either CD or vinyl

[paint it black]

Ah, so that's my TC US mix. sorted

i got it on a tape years ago, but didn't know what it was. it's cut at the very end

danke

*edit, that's my other VC type tape sorted, is this right?

Afterhours/Marian/Rock and a hard place (Disco-mix)/Garden Of Delight/Emma/Dance on glass/Body Electric (J.Peel introduced - 01/84)/ This Corrossion (U.S Mix)

[the-happening]

Don't wish to boast but the THIS CORROSION College recording was introduced by my goodself thanks to a very good friend in the USA who worked on college radio. I never cobbled it together with the Victims of Circumstance demos though.

[taylor]

this sound a bit strange because when VOC first appared TC non official released yet. I had spoke with "king" M.Woodley and also his tape got the TC demos at end.

[Big Si]

I wish someone would weed a copy of this as I'd love to get one!

[James Blast]

Jessica's Crime was the standout track for me, sorry

[Dark]

I wish someone would weed a copy of this as I'd love to get one!

TC demo sounds nice. Any kind soul fancy making a torrent?

[Big Si]

I wish someone would weed a copy of this as I'd love to get one!

TC demo sounds nice. Any kind soul fancy making a torrent?

That's the equivalent of the Holy Grail, most likely never to be heard by any of us!

[Dark]

I wish someone would weed a copy of this as I'd love to get one!

TC demo sounds nice. Any kind soul fancy making a torrent?

That's the equivalent of the Holy Grail, most likely never to be heard by any of us!

Hmm. Didn't taylor say his had one? Oh well, nonetherless, I wouldn't mind a VOC. Can someone -please- make a torrent?

[Hojyuu-obi]

TC demo sounds nice. Any kind soul fancy making a torrent?

That's the equivalent of the Holy Grail, most likely never to be heard by any of us!

Hmm. Didn't taylor say his had one? Oh well, nonetherless, I wouldn't mind a VOC. Can someone -please- make a torrent?

I think that was T.C. US version (broadcast on a US radiostation that is ...)

[Big Si]

Again, I'd just like a copy on CD of the original tracklisting of this tape. It'd be good for weeding!

[smiscandlon]

Again, I'd just like a copy on CD of the original tracklisting of this tape. It'd be good for weeding!

Ask and ye shall receive...

I have been meaning to put this on CD for about a year now, and finally got round to it today.

I haven't done any "remastering" or editing other than removing some of the longer gaps between songs.

(This was in an effort to fit it on to one CD, but it didn't quite make it, coming in at around 86 minutes - so I've done it as 2 separate discs with the same split as sides 1 & 2 of the tape.)

Big Si, PM me your address and I'll get a copy off to you ASAP. If anyone else is interested in this as a weed (or trade), let me know - although if others are interested we may have to start a new weeding thread to avoid any confusion with the remastered Victims CD currently doing the rounds...

[Big Si]

Again, I'd just like a copy on CD of the original tracklisting of this tape. It'd be good for weeding!

Ask and ye shall receive...

I have been meaning to put this on CD for about a year now, and finally got round to it today.

I haven't done any "remastering" or editing other than removing some of the longer gaps between songs.

(This was in an effort to fit it on to one CD, but it didn't quite make it, coming in at around 86 minutes - so I've done it as 2 separate discs with the same split as sides 1 & 2 of the tape.)

Big Si, PM me your address and I'll get a copy off to you ASAP. If anyone else is interested in this as a weed (or trade), let me know - although if others are interested we may have to start a new weeding thread to avoid any confusion with the remastered Victims CD currently doing the rounds...

[wayne]

I have a slightly different version - tracklisting as below:

Ghostrider/Sister Ray live
Marian orig.
Dance On Glass orig.
A Rock & A Hard Place german disco mix
Garden Of Delight Hussey vocal
Garden Of Delight Eldritch vocal
Serpent's Kiss instrumental demo
----
Jessica's Crime Salvation demo
Afterhours remix
Jolene remix
Knockin on Heavens door live
A Rock & A Hard Place demo
Temple of Love live
Some Kind Of Stranger live
Nine While Nine live

[Spiggy's hat]

Don't wish to boast but the THIS CORROSION College recording was introduced by my goodself thanks to a very good friend in the USA who worked on college radio. I never cobbled it together with the Victims of Circumstance demos though.

Just looking at the Wiki via another recent thread and came across this thread again.

I used to buy bootlegs from a guy on Leeds second hand market in the mid/late 80's. I was browsing his wares one day, when he played me a new Sisters song & explained that a friend in the US had recorded it from US college radio a couple of weeks earlier, the song was the as yet unreleased 'This Corrossion'. This of course was in the pre-internet days when all trading was via cassettes in the post........were you the Leeds market man?