B&S 12" original pressing

LostInTheDrift · 30 Dec 2004, 10:20

Hi,

is it right, that the a.m. vinyl has the ROGI 'for spiggy and alan vega' AND in addition a machine written matrix number including writing 'ALSDORF' ?

CellThree · 30 Dec 2004, 14:37

I have 2 12"s and 1 7" of this
Lets have a look :

1st 12" A side - (Thin Sleeve)

MRO - 29(T) - A1 (small writing)
ARUN
MT (I think!)

1st 12" B Side -

For Spiggy + Alan Vega
MR0 - 29(T) - AA 1 (small writing)
MT

2nd 12" A Side - (Thick Sleeve)

MR0 - 29(T) - A2 (large writing)
Bc

2nd 12 B Side -

MR0 - 29(T) - B2 (large writing)
HESHM (I think, this is really faint)
Bc

7" A Side -

MR - 029 - A (small writing)
MT

7" B Side -

MR - 029 - B (small writing)
For Spiggy And Alan Vega
MT

I think that the first one is an original pressing, the second one and the 7" are both re-issues. On the first 12" the "and' in For Spiggy And Alan Vega is written on the vinyl as a "+", on the 7" it is written as "And".

Looks as though you may have a German copy, some of my German Sisters records have Alsdorf etched on them.

Hojyuu-obi · 30 Dec 2004, 15:54

Anytime a ROGI has R/S Alsdorf... it's a German pressing ... R/S stands for Record Service which is the name of the pressing plant.

CellThree are both the thin and thick sleeves envelope sleeves ?

taylor · 30 Dec 2004, 16:04

A1 means first mix choosed in the studio
A2 means 2nd mix choosed in the studio ect

Hojyuu-obi · 30 Dec 2004, 17:16

I'll upload pictures of the Portuguese pressing if anyone's interested ...

CellThree · 30 Dec 2004, 17:23

Hojyuu-obi wrote:Anytime a ROGI has R/S Alsdorf... it's a German pressing ... R/S stands for Record Service which is the name of the pressing plant.

CellThree are both the thin and thick sleeves envelope sleeves ?

Envelope sleeves? Not sure I know what you mean. If you mean can you see the edges of the folds then you can on the Thin sleeve and not on the Thick sleeve.

Hojyuu-obi · 30 Dec 2004, 17:51

CellThree wrote:
Hojyuu-obi wrote:Anytime a ROGI has R/S Alsdorf... it's a German pressing ... R/S stands for Record Service which is the name of the pressing plant.

CellThree are both the thin and thick sleeves envelope sleeves ?
Envelope sleeves? Not sure I know what you mean. If you mean can you see the edges of the folds then you can on the Thin sleeve and not on the Thick sleeve.

That's what I meant, yes

... original pressing (ARUN A1 etc...) in an envelope sleeve exists in thin and thick cardboard so I was slightly confused ... Does the A2 have a bar code on the labels ?

CellThree · 31 Dec 2004, 00:51

Both of mine have bar codes. The number is :

22924 93620.

It is smaller and heavier print on the thin sleeve.

Also below the MR029T tag above the barcode the barcode number is printed in the blue print on the Thick sleeve, but isn't there on the thin sleeve.

paint it black · 31 Dec 2004, 00:56

taylor wrote:A1 means first mix choosed in the studio
A2 means 2nd mix choosed in the studio ect

@ taylor

what's the blue and white one then? is that a misspress i have lying around

CellThree · 31 Dec 2004, 00:58

paint it black wrote:
taylor wrote:A1 means first mix choosed in the studio
A2 means 2nd mix choosed in the studio ect
@ taylor

what's the blue and white one then? is that a misspress i have lying around

That is a mispressing, like the Alice 7" with the white and gold cover.

paint it black · 31 Dec 2004, 11:16

CellThree wrote:
paint it black wrote:
taylor wrote:A1 means first mix choosed in the studio
A2 means 2nd mix choosed in the studio ect
@ taylor

what's the blue and white one then? is that a misspress i have lying around
That is a mispressing, like the Alice 7" with the white and gold cover.

so of similar value?

and what of my reptile house EP. artwork and labels, which actually plays Alice?

CellThree · 31 Dec 2004, 12:24

I dunno about the value. I paid 15 quid for my Alice 7", and I saw one of the misprint B&S go for about 25 quid about a month ago on Ebay.

No idea on The Reptile House. Nice item to have found!

LostInTheDrift · 31 Dec 2004, 15:46

OK, think I have raised the question incorrectly

.
I know that the version I have described is a A2 pressing. The point is that A2 pressings may have the A1 sayings as well (e.g. the Reptile House A1 and A2 have the same ones), but in that cases the complete inscriptions (including matrix no.) are scribed. The vinyl I have mentioned shows a mix of machine written and scribed inscription. By 'original pressing' I meant the original state of the LP and not the 1st pressing (sorry for that faux pas) as I assume that this 12" is a fake and the saying 'for spiggy + alan vega' has been added ex post.

Regarding the different 'and' between 7" & 12" I think that the 'AND' on the 7" does not characterise any re-issue. My 7" A1 shows the 'AND' as well. Mostly there are differences between 7" & 12".

Hojyuu-obi · 31 Dec 2004, 17:15

It's not a fake as I mentioned above, if the ROGI reads: (and I've checked my copy as I replied yesterday from memory)

R/S ALSDORF 249362-0 B ... FOR SPIGGY + ALAN VEGA (on the B-side)

then it's a German pressing ... the labels also mentions the track times ( as with all German copies), the UK copies don't ...

I think QB is about to move this to the 'Of The Boring Kind' section

Dark · 31 Dec 2004, 20:10

As I posted some time ago:

Dark wrote:*gets out his Body And Soul* Hmm... All of the ROGIs on it are.. (going anti-clockwise)

A Side- MR0-29T-A1 ; ARUN ; DAMONT ; MT; And uber-faintly around the very edge of the run-off, theres a 2 and 3.

B Side- For Spiggy + Alan Vega ; what looks like "A/T" ; MR0-29 (T)-AA-1 ; another very faint 2 ; and an almost invisibly faint DAMONT.

That's just mine, a rerelease I picked up in a record shop whilst looking for Long Train. I also noticed a March Violets LP and the CNT LP They Shall Not Pass there. Nice shop.

Francis · 01 Jan 2005, 02:17

Hey Dork, you seem to have a bit of an obsession about the Long Train flexi-disc. Well, seeing as mine has been laid even less than I had been at your age, I'll do you a deal. Produce four original tracks and it's yours. Rock on.

Dark · 01 Jan 2005, 12:51

Francis wrote:Hey Dork, you seem to have a bit of an obsession about the Long Train flexi-disc. Well, seeing as mine has been laid even less than I had been at your age, I'll do you a deal. Produce four original tracks and it's yours. Rock on.

Many points:

1) Dark, not dork. -_-
2) Yes, I have an obsession. It's cheaper than heroin.
3) Four original tracks with my band? Sure, why not. You'll be holding onto the flexi for a while, we rarely get together often enough. But okay.

Francis · 02 Jan 2005, 10:46

Good man.

Dark · 02 Jan 2005, 20:35

Francis wrote:Good man.

Would these tracks include demos? Or just the final products? And if so, do b-sides count?

Francis · 03 Jan 2005, 03:14

You're getting a bit technical now.

Dark · 03 Jan 2005, 12:21

Francis wrote:You're getting a bit technical now.

Good for me.