People like belonging to a community. the church is the example of community invented by people who wanted to belong somewhere. It makes them safe and reduces the feelings of isolation and fear... Gives them hope and the new sense of self... Some of them become addicted to going to church every Sunday. That's probably why Marx said that "it is the opium of the people"...Obviousman wrote: That's very true, some people believe in the instute church (rather than god, I guess) just because of the need of a structure, which they can't find elsewhere, and believe that's a mayor support for them.
Do you believe in God?
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Damn! Beat me to it!smiscandlon wrote:... and if I ever start a death metal band I now know what to call them.smiscandlon wrote:aural evisceration
Sorry, but that name inspires primal violent urges in me.
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... because of which started his own religionDelilah wrote:That's probably why Marx said that "it is the opium of the people"...
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I do believe in myself.
Believing in a god is just a reflection of your own self onto an 'icon'.
Which is a nice solution for people NOT believing in themselves
IZ.
Believing in a god is just a reflection of your own self onto an 'icon'.
Which is a nice solution for people NOT believing in themselves
IZ.
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when did Gary say thatDelilah wrote:That's probably why Marx said that "it is the opium of the people"
"And when you start to think about death, you start to think about what's after it. And then you start hoping there is a God. For me, it's a frightening thought to go nowhere".
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James Blast wrote:when did Gary say thatDelilah wrote:That's probably why Marx said that "it is the opium of the people"
(by the way, was it not "the masses"? )
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You were about to get sent to the back of the class there - but you have redeemed yourself!!!Delilah wrote:it depends on the translation... some editions of "Philosophy Of Right" say "masses" some say "people". "Masses" sounds better though...boudicca wrote:
(by the way, was it not "the masses"? )
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BTW I'm really starting hating the guy. And his friends Weber and Durkheim. Is the whole sociology about how to make simple things sound really complicated? And to write the longest possible sentences one has to read ten times to understand? What a lot of b**cks.boudicca wrote:
You were about to get sent to the back of the class there - but you have redeemed yourself!!!
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Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky.
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky.
The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.
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you long haired, pot smoking hippymarkfiend wrote:Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky.
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No I don't think there is GOD (except Alice Cooper )
If there there realy is a god, who created us, why do we need to prove us to him he would know, who and how we are. So I think it's allot of bull s**t to give you life to a book that has been written by a Genius !!!
some people believe everything !
I believe in proof, and not a book !
If there there realy is a god, who created us, why do we need to prove us to him he would know, who and how we are. So I think it's allot of bull s**t to give you life to a book that has been written by a Genius !!!
some people believe everything !
I believe in proof, and not a book !
I was quite impressed until I hit the floor,.....Isn’t that what friends are for ?
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Do I believe in God? Actually, yes, I guess so, but I don't know what shape or form He (oops, sorry, She!) takes, and I don't pretend to know.
At this stage, I don't know if I ever will know between now and then end of my (current) life. I hope I do.
I got into meditation for a while, but this was when I was in a 7 personal year (in numerology) which is the most 'switched off' introspective, inside-your-own-shell, kind of year. After that, I stopped getting results from it, although I had a few interesting experiences. Meditation probably does help, but it takes you away from our fast-paced workaday Western world.
Affirmations are a little bit more kooky or pseudo-scientific and perhaps cannot replace serious hard work to make your dreams real.
Drinking heaps of strong coffee doesn't help your meditative state either - makes it pretty hard to stop the "infernal chattering of the inner voice". The search for meaning goes on....
At this stage, I don't know if I ever will know between now and then end of my (current) life. I hope I do.
I got into meditation for a while, but this was when I was in a 7 personal year (in numerology) which is the most 'switched off' introspective, inside-your-own-shell, kind of year. After that, I stopped getting results from it, although I had a few interesting experiences. Meditation probably does help, but it takes you away from our fast-paced workaday Western world.
Affirmations are a little bit more kooky or pseudo-scientific and perhaps cannot replace serious hard work to make your dreams real.
Drinking heaps of strong coffee doesn't help your meditative state either - makes it pretty hard to stop the "infernal chattering of the inner voice". The search for meaning goes on....
.... there is no semblance of rock 'n roll around here!
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But then some people say the ultimate proof is the fact there are so many things unprovable...Shadow_Smile wrote:some people believe everything !
I believe in proof, and not a book !
Although I do agree some people believe too easily , but I guess those are the admirers , who don't even think about what they're admiring
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hehehehe jaah,Obviousman wrote:But then some people say the ultimate proof is the fact there are so many things unprovable...Shadow_Smile wrote:some people believe everything !
I believe in proof, and not a book !
Although I do agree some people believe too easily , but I guess those are the admirers , who don't even think about what they're admiring
je hebt gekken en gekken
Naah, als hij daad werkelijk bestaat, laat hem dan maar eens opbezoek komen, pas dan wil ik het geloven tot die tijd is het toch echt Alice Cooper en The Sisters !
I was quite impressed until I hit the floor,.....Isn’t that what friends are for ?
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It seems like back there in Rome they still don't like our way of thinking
Hopefully, this won't be the way they'll be electing a new popeCNN wrote:Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the church, is often labeled today as a fundamentalism," Ratzinger said during the homily.
"Whereas relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and 'swept along by every wind of teaching,' looks like the only attitude acceptable to today's standards," he continued. "We are moving toward a dictatorship of relativism which does not recognize anything as for certain and which has as its highest goal one's own ego and one's own desires."
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He says that like it's a bad thing?does not recognize anything as for certain
I can't say for certain that I'm not living in The Matrix or whatever.
A logically constructed world-view is an attempt to rationalise one's sensory data. That this data might be fed into my brain sitting in a jar on some mad scientist's lab-bench somewhere is irrelevant. I must deal with the universe in which I appear to find myself.
All conclusions should be tentative and subject to revision (or even abandonment) based on new evidence. To do otherwise is to stop thinking.
The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.
—Bertrand Russell
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I like the way you're thinkingmarkfiend wrote:A logically constructed world-view is an attempt to rationalise one's sensory data. That this data might be fed into my brain sitting in a jar on some mad scientist's lab-bench somewhere is irrelevant. I must deal with the universe in which I appear to find myself.
All conclusions should be tentative and subject to revision (or even abandonment) based on new evidence. To do otherwise is to stop thinking.
And, I think too, the rigid way Ratzinger would like us to think, is a dangerous way indeed... It is the ideal way to get dramatic consequences like Bush causes... To be that stuck on ideas will make there'll never be progress, in any way...
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fnordMalaclypse the Younger: Everything is true.
Greater Poop: Even false things?
Malaclypse the Younger: Even false things are true.
Greater Poop: How can that be?
Malaclypse the Younger: I don't know man, I didn't do it.
The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.
—Bertrand Russell
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The statement is flawed. It should bemarkfiend wrote:Malaclypse the Younger: Everything is true.
Greater Poop: Even false things?
Malaclypse the Younger: Even false things are true.
Greater Poop: How can that be?
Malaclypse the Younger: I don't know man, I didn't do it.
"Nothing is true, including that. Everything is permitted, but you should probably just ignore I said that because that's not true either. Or is it?"
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Hhhm I'm not sure, I think I'm to young to make my mind up about religion yet.