why was the american tour with public enemy aborted?

hippie-bullsh-t-hater · 19 Jul 2005, 17:14

must have been the north american tour in 1991.
To much quarrels between rap fans and sisters fans or
what? Does anyone know more?

Dark · 19 Jul 2005, 17:16

They thought there would be clashes between the Sisters fans (mostly white) and Public Enemy fans (mostly black).

deadagain · 19 Jul 2005, 17:30

Dark wrote:They thought there would be clashes between the Sisters fans (mostly white) and Public Enemy fans (mostly black).

surely that should read: Sisters fans (black) and Public Enema fans (black)?!

I thought it was cos the promoters got cold feet and didn't, err, promote it, so few advance tickets were sold and the venues pulled the plug?

maybe...

aims · 19 Jul 2005, 17:35

Dark wrote:They thought there would be clashes between the Sisters fans (mostly white) and Public Enemy fans (mostly black).

Odd, I've never seen a zebra attack itself

19 Jul 2005, 17:44

i'm sure there's something in one of the UTR issues that says something along the lines of deadagain's answer.

nowt to do with fights, more to do with bad promotion and ticket sales.

Big Si · 19 Jul 2005, 19:05

Quiff Boy wrote:i'm sure there's something in one of the UTR issues that says something along the lines of deadagain's answer.

nowt to do with fights, more to do with bad promotion and ticket sales.

Having a crap US record label who didn't support it, the promoter's booked suburban or out of town venues (as far away from the "ghetto's" as they could get), and just a complete lack of promotion anywhere!

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19 Jul 2005, 20:14

aha! danke

sultan2075 · 20 Jul 2005, 16:58

hippie-bullsh-t-hater wrote:must have been the north american tour in 1991.
To much quarrels between rap fans and sisters fans or
what? Does anyone know more?

Andy doesn't like to admit it, but one of the major factors was that the first Lollapalooza tour was beating the pants of his 'Gathering of the Tribes'. Not only were there booking problems (less widespread than he claims), the tour was flat-out *losing money.* If you've seen the Florida 91 bootleg video, the venue only looks about half full. Furthermore, neither Young Black Teenagers (who were, curiously, all white) nor Warrior Soul were teribly good bands--hence, the only draw would have been the Sisters and PE. Compare that to the lin-up on the first Lollapalooza, and it's no surprise, really.

frankvink · 21 Jul 2005, 09:32

"Gathering of the Tribes" was Ian Astbury's project... It had nothing to do with the Sisters + PE tour!

Ed Rhombus · 21 Jul 2005, 13:03

Dark wrote:They thought there would be clashes between the Sisters fans (mostly white) and Public Enemy fans (mostly black).

If you ever go to see Public Enermy, you'd notice that the crowd is mainly white

Dark · 21 Jul 2005, 14:29

Ed Rhombus wrote:
Dark wrote:They thought there would be clashes between the Sisters fans (mostly white) and Public Enemy fans (mostly black).
If you ever go to see Public Enermy, you'd notice that the crowd is mainly white

Look, I'm just going by what I THOUGHT okay!?

21 Jul 2005, 14:35

a mate of mine went to see run dmc back in about 86. said mate is 6ft 3 and had spikey black hair, leather trousers and pointy boots.

he said he was down the front, bopping away and getting all giddy to "my adidas" when he stopped, looked around, and realised he was the only white person there

i'd always assumed PE's politics and their semi-militant stance would scare most skinny white boys away

21 Jul 2005, 15:32

Quiff Boy wrote:i'd always assumed PE's politics and their semi-militant stance would scare most skinny white boys away

Me too actually.

And I think Elektra thought so too; that's why they didn't promote the tour properly. (See Big Si's post above)

Ed Rhombus · 22 Jul 2005, 08:49

Dark wrote:
Ed Rhombus wrote:
Dark wrote:They thought there would be clashes between the Sisters fans (mostly white) and Public Enemy fans (mostly black).
If you ever go to see Public Enermy, you'd notice that the crowd is mainly white
Look, I'm just going by what I THOUGHT okay!?

No it isn't. I want a present please.

boudicca · 23 Jul 2005, 00:40

Von couldn't rap for toffee. That's why.

timsinister · 23 Jul 2005, 11:57

'onna mike wiv'a Eldritch flava!

smiscandlon · 23 Jul 2005, 12:10

timsinister wrote:'onna mike wiv'a Eldritch flava!

boudicca · 23 Jul 2005, 15:54

timsinister wrote:'onna mike wiv'a Eldritch flava!

Can you imagine?

Seriously.

Imagine it.

eastmidswhizzkid · 23 Jul 2005, 17:42

n-n-n-n-n-nine while nine!
(ok,not strictly rap,but i'm sure those of you who are old enough will get it)

timsinister · 23 Jul 2005, 18:04

This is the path to the darkside!

And in the spirit of understanding and plagiarism, I nicked the quote from netgoth.org.uk - sorry.

boudicca · 23 Jul 2005, 19:33

eastmidswhizzkid wrote:n-n-n-n-n-nine while nine!
(ok,not strictly rap,but i'm sure those of you who are old enough will get it)

?

lazarus corporation · 23 Jul 2005, 19:58

boudicca wrote:
eastmidswhizzkid wrote:n-n-n-n-n-nine while nine!
(ok,not strictly rap,but i'm sure those of you who are old enough will get it)

?

more a Paul Hardcastle reference, I think.

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eastmidswhizzkid · 23 Jul 2005, 20:39

spot-on mate!

(now can we move away from my last post;its already considerably less 'amusing' than it seemed 3 hours ago....must be time for a 'top-up'

)

boudicca · 23 Jul 2005, 21:48

Ah well.

Showing my age.

CHILD OF THE '80'S.

RobF · 24 Jul 2005, 13:00

Ed Rhombus wrote:
Dark wrote:They thought there would be clashes between the Sisters fans (mostly white) and Public Enemy fans (mostly black).
If you ever go to see Public Enermy, you'd notice that the crowd is mainly white

Most of the times I've seen the mighty P.E. over the last 14 years, the crowd's been about 50/50 white/black. Not that it matters a tinker's cuss.