Can YOU change the world?

James Blast · 21 Jul 2005, 15:59

"I tried to make it work, you in a cocktail skirt, and me in a suit, well it just wasn't me"

Ed Rhombus · 21 Jul 2005, 16:01

I always find the term 'normal people' interesting.

What do the people who use it consider the attributes of a normal person to be?

And would those they considered to be 'normal' describe or consider themselves as such?

21 Jul 2005, 16:05

*twitch* i'm *twitch* perfectly *twitch* normal.

*twitch*

now then *twitch* where did i *twitch* leave my *twitch* shotgun?

culprit · 21 Jul 2005, 16:07

Ed Rhombus wrote:I always find the term 'normal people' interesting.

What do the people who use it consider the attributes of a normal person to be?

And would those they considered to be 'normal' describe or consider themselves as such?

The very reason I'm staying out of this.

timsinister · 21 Jul 2005, 16:08

First things first, Rosalie, you've gotta take it easy on this board; only about forty-five percent of what we say is intentionally serious...and that figure can change depending on who you talk to.

Secondly - what everyone has said is right, depending on perspective. I'm still a dorty goffik, I just tone it down for interviews, then tone it back up when they get used to me. Compromise is the key! It's like Communism, it sounds good on paper, but try living on your morals and the sense of staying individual, when you're hungry and the rent needs paying.

Rosalie · 21 Jul 2005, 16:09

markfiend wrote:Look, I'm not disagreeing with you and I'm sorry if you took offence at the "Get over it" line. It was a bit of a throwaway remark and I regret it now.

The funny thing is, I'm sitting here with my hair (that hasn't been cut in maybe 15 years) tied back in a pony-tail, with my piercings in, wearing black T-shirt and jeans, working for a pretty decent wage as a graphic designer (when I'm not pi$$ing about on the Internet).

So yeah, I haven't had to compromise (well, other than tying the hair back) and I'm doing OK. I'm "in the room" I guess.

Exactly. There you go. Not everyone can achieve that, but the more people like you that do, the more companies will have to learn to accept it, or they'll loose qualified and *uncompromising* individuals to the few they do.

Obviousman · 21 Jul 2005, 18:34

Ed Rhombus wrote:I always find the term 'normal people' interesting.

What do the people who use it consider the attributes of a normal person to be?

And would those they considered to be 'normal' describe or consider themselves as such?

I think 'normal people' would mean something different to every single person... It probably means someone they look up to or something like that...

When considering that, a completely normal person is just someone who has the best compromise to give to the most possible people...

boudicca · 21 Jul 2005, 19:57

First of all Nick, we'll need your inside leg...

timsinister wrote:I'm still a dorty goffik

I do have problems when it comes to interviews and such... I dress smartly (sometimes in a suit myself) even when I'm not going to sell my soul for the almighty dollar, but I think the fact that I still look as though I've been locked in an underground bunker with consumption for two months gets them a little suspicious...

Maybe I just emanate gothness, whatever I do. Several years ago I tried sporting dyed red hair (not red red, just... red), and this young fellow who I'd never met before said to me, "So, why do you go with the black hair and everything then?"

Once you're branded, there's NO ESCAPE!

_emma_ · 21 Jul 2005, 20:00

A lot depends on perspective. At M'Era Luna, I like to wear casual-sports type of clothes. At work, I like to wear kinky-goth type of clothes. Just to justify my point of view because yes, the way you look is vital when it comes to others' way of seeing you.

Obviousman · 21 Jul 2005, 20:03

_emma_ wrote:A lot depends on perspective. At M'Era Luna, I like to wear casual-sports type of clothes. At work, I like to wear kinky-goth type of clothes. Just to justify my point of view because yes, the way you look is vital when it comes to others' way of seeing you.

Kinky

So what kind of job are you doing then

BTW: boudicca: really strange story, with the red hair and that guy

boudicca · 21 Jul 2005, 20:07

Obviousman wrote:BTW: boudicca: really strange story, with the red hair and that guy

I'm a strange kinda gal...

Folks'll back me up on this one, won't they?

Obviousman · 21 Jul 2005, 20:10

No, yea, well, I meant, did you miss some spots while dying your hair or something

Or is it just the 'attitude' of black hair or something, lol

boudicca · 21 Jul 2005, 20:12

Obviousman wrote:No, yea, well, I meant, did you miss some spots while dying your hair or something
Or is it just the 'attitude' of black hair or something, lol

I think it is simply the contrast with my

face... anything darker than off-white looks black...

Brideoffrankenstein · 21 Jul 2005, 20:23

markfiend wrote:The funny thing is, I'm sitting here with my hair (that hasn't been cut in maybe 15 years) tied back in a pony-tail, with my piercings in, wearing black T-shirt and jeans, working for a pretty decent wage

Same here! (except swap the jeans and t-shirt for a white labcoat

)

Francis · 21 Jul 2005, 20:44

I was never trying to change anything. I just wanted a goth goddess to have me for breakfast. It didn't work.

Obviousman · 21 Jul 2005, 20:46

Francis wrote:I was never trying to change anything. I just wanted a goth goddess to have me for breakfast. It didn't work.

Ask that German guy that had another one for dinner, he'd probably know where to find such a person

boudicca · 21 Jul 2005, 20:55

Francis wrote:I was never trying to change anything. I just wanted a goth goddess to have me for breakfast. It didn't work.

THERE'S STILL TIME!

But a few minor difficulties...

1) You keep taking the p*ss out of my (sun)glasses
2) You looked like George Michael in the 80's, so I shudder to think what you're like now
3) I am officially Not-A-Gothtm
4) Probably not a goddess
5) And I don't eat breakfast.

Still, drop us a line if you get desperate eh?

Francis · 21 Jul 2005, 21:06

boudicca wrote:But a few minor difficulties...

1) You keep taking the p*ss out of my (sun)glasses
2) You looked like George Michael in the 80's, so I shudder to think what you're like now
3) I am officially Not-A-Gothtm
4) Probably not a goddess
5) And I don't eat breakfast.

6) You never turn up at Heartland dos
7) Mother comes too

Mind you, that could be an advantage.

She probably cooks a better breakfast.

boudicca · 21 Jul 2005, 21:10

Francis has anyone ever told you that you just smell?

Francis · 21 Jul 2005, 21:15

Only when I fart. Generally after a cooked breakfast.

boudicca · 21 Jul 2005, 21:19

Francis wrote:Only when I fart. Generally after a cooked breakfast.

Another thread successfully derailed then...

Francis · 21 Jul 2005, 21:25

The Circle Line next Thursday it is. I'll be carrying a copy of GQ.

nick the stripper · 21 Jul 2005, 21:42

boudicca wrote:First of all Nick, we'll need your inside leg...

...

boudicca · 21 Jul 2005, 21:45

Francis wrote:The Circle Line next Thursday it is. I'll be carrying a copy of GQ.

No backpack I hope...

Anyway, the Clockwork Orange is much safer.

@Nick - all mouth and no trousers?

smiscandlon · 21 Jul 2005, 23:20

Rosalie wrote:But that's usually not the greatest argument to have, the most interesting point that was raised was that you can't change the world unless you're clean cut and in a suit, which I then tore apart on many levels (Which was obviously ignored).

What do you think to this? I think it's a fallacy, as what ever you're fighting for when you do that, you're also further spreading the ideal that only clean cut guys in suits can change the world. If you shout hard enough, you'll be heard.

I can't actually think of many "clean cut guys in suits" who actually have changed the world.

Okay, I accept that there may be one or two exceptions, but I'm not convinced they are the best role models.