The end of bootlegging?

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A deal between Universal and Clear Channel will give fans the opportunity to buy a recording of the gig right after it, thus, they want to stop piracy and 'real' bootlegging. It appears they suffer great losses because of 'the plague' of illegal registrations of gigs which has boomed since CD burners, mp3s and more came to existance.

In order to do this, Universal has made a deal with Instant Live (a part of Clear Channel), a company specialised in live recordings and immediate production of cds. Because of quick recording and producing techniques, they are able to offer 1000 to 2000 cds in about 6 minutes after the gig has ended. The recordings are sold in the stall next to T-shirts and other group memorabilia and cost 15 to 40 dollars.
SonyBMG is doing the same for a while now (but for a very limited range of artists) with ShopBootlegs.com and TimeWarner just launched an initiative which broadcasts concerts live via the Internet and other channels.

However, for now it remains an exlusive American intiative, but still certain artists have done it in Europe (like Moby, Einstürzende Neubauten,... ) on their own initiative.

Would you prefer a system like this over the regular bootlegging Sisters fanatics are doing for over twenty years now, or would you rather see this remains in the US?
It could be a good trick to see more official Sisters releases :lol:
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So they suffer losses because someone else makes money on a product that they were never going to market?

I call bullshít.
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Motz wrote:So they suffer losses because someone else makes money on a product that they were never going to market?

I call bullshít.
Yes, more precisely they feel they're missing out on even more profits - they're not suffering any losses.
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People will still bootleg their own concerts as it will be free as opposed to having to pay for it. However, it won't stop people bootlegging the "official" live recording and trading that will it?
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"you get your money for nothing and your chicks for free....."

I did notice that at the Leeds festival you could register for a CD copy of that nights performance by the Pixies for a tenner I think.

Jools Holland has been doing this for a few years as well.

I'd rather have a clean 'desk' recording digitally mastered onto CD with some money going to the band than a fuzzy 'amateur' recording any day but it's when these 'legitimate' bootlegs get bootlegged when it gets difficult...

Merck Mercuriadis, who is the CEO of Sanctuary Group and also the manager of Catherine Wheel / Rob Dickinson, has always had a relaxed attitude to the recording and sharing of live performances by his bands provided - and of course this is hard to guarantee - that its strictly on the basis of no money changing hands.

I think the control freakery shown by certain artists towards this sort of thing is a bit sad really.
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I'll be VERY disappointed if no-one bootlegs us.
That said, we're probably only likely to have one gig. Ever. I'll make sure to plant a mic somewhere in the room, and nick the soundboard CD.

And I'm keeping the cassette with all the demo versions and unreleased songs, recorded by connecting my speakers' headphone port to the tape recorder's mic port.
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mik wrote:I'd rather have a clean 'desk' recording digitally mastered onto CD with some money going to the band than a fuzzy 'amateur' recording any day but it's when these 'legitimate' bootlegs get bootlegged when it gets difficult...
But now there are some amateurs remastering the cds before they really get to the crowds, whereas in the 6-minutes system, they'll most probably just do a quick check, which is not fault-proof I guess, and afterwards no one will want to touch it anymore because 'it is an official release'...
Personally I think I'd rather be able to choose from different sources, mastered or not, and make out of myself which one is the best quality recording...

As for the profit: I think it's very sad as well they are going this far in order to get money out of us, but there's very little we can do about it, can we...
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I'm with mik on this one, but I see your point Z
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I have a thing for bootlegs, there's something about holding a CD you know you shouldn't possess and that only you and a few other people own.
for some odd reason, I'd rather own a bootleg than an official live recording... :|
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Obviousman wrote: It could be a good trick to see more official Sisters releases :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol:
but first :von: must sign some contract :( :urff:
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Obviousman wrote: As for the profit: I think it's very sad as well they are going this far in order to get money out of us, but there's very little we can do about it, can we...
Please keep in mind, that "they" includes the artist too. :wink:
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canon docre wrote:
Obviousman wrote: As for the profit: I think it's very sad as well they are going this far in order to get money out of us, but there's very little we can do about it, can we...
Please keep in mind, that "they" includes the artist too. :wink:
Too true... But still, artists acting like this are mostly the ones that light their cigars with €500 notes already anyway and the main decision is with the record companies, or isn't that so, do you think?
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Obviousman wrote:
canon docre wrote:
Obviousman wrote: As for the profit: I think it's very sad as well they are going this far in order to get money out of us, but there's very little we can do about it, can we...
Please keep in mind, that "they" includes the artist too. :wink:
Too true... But still, artists acting like this are mostly the ones that light their cigars with €500 notes already anyway and the main decision is with the record companies, or isn't that so, do you think?
If there's a decision of a record company existing that artists appreciate, than it is one that provides some income for them. :wink:
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i think i'd buy the offical boot on the night...along with the tour T-shirt and enjoy them...but if the prices are hiked 'cos the bands playing London...then no way...

tix prices could be lowered for this kind of thing too...more money spent in the venue on offical merch would be direct assistance to the band...rather than indirect through promoters and other rip off merchants...

just my 2 cents...did anyone notice that i dislike promoters?...nope?...good! :innocent:
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nick the stripper wrote:I have a thing for bootlegs, there's something about holding a CD you know you shouldn't possess and that only you and a few other people own.
for some odd reason, I'd rather own a bootleg than an official live recording... :|

the word is "VINYL". holding a vinyl bootleg is immensly superior to to holding a coaster.
(point of interest.....my 15 year old son did not know how to put a record on until he was shown yesterday.....he laughed when i explained how it worked .... nearly pissed himself when i showed him how to "skip" tracks)

cd indeed , ba humbug,
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The Levellers did this on their 2004 winter tour and the queue afterwards was very long. I pre-ordered mine clicky over the internet and it came a week later.

And very good it was too :notworthy:
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What about all the geeky fun of collecting all the different audience recordings of a gig? *ahem*

No, bollocks, just another way to fleece the fans.
Burn wrote:tix prices could be lowered for this kind of thing too...more money spent in the venue on offical merch would be direct assistance to the band...rather than indirect through promoters and other rip off merchants...
If you really think that would happen you have greater faith in human nature than me.
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Bartoszek wrote:
Obviousman wrote: It could be a good trick to see more official Sisters releases :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol:
but first :von: must sign some contract :( :urff:
:) :D :lol: :| :( :?

I think it's a great idea to record the performance and sell it. I'd try to get the live recording as well as a bootleg, save the ticket, buy t-shirts and GPS etc.

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Didn't PWEI do this as well, or maybe they're going to. I'd be interested to hear from someone about how well produced they are.

Limur, your Levellers one?
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ruffers wrote:Limur, your Levellers one?
I can't fault the production. It was very good. I'd recommend buying one if you had the chance
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I know Metallica make all (well, most) of their gigs available for download for $10-14 depending on format.
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BillyBadBreaks wrote:I know Metallica make all (well, most) of their gigs available for download for $10-14 depending on format.
Cause they don't want us to download their gigs for free.

Twats.
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Dark wrote:
BillyBadBreaks wrote:I know Metallica make all (well, most) of their gigs available for download for $10-14 depending on format.
Cause they don't want us to download their gigs for free.

Twats.
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