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Don't you still get a "performance royalty" though? Otherwise what would be the point of boybands releasing cover-version after cover-version?
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Thanks for the answers/thoughts. I should find Andrew Sisters version asap and listen to it.


@ Markfiend: Are you talking about live concerts? I'm not sure whether band have to pay for performing covers live. I would have guessed so, but not sure.
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No, I mean on records. IIRC the royalties get split 50-50 between the writers and the performers.
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markfiend wrote:Don't you still get a "performance royalty" though? Otherwise what would be the point of boybands releasing cover-version after cover-version?
they still get the money from the records sold. AND the main reason for doing covers, they generate the first interest. A lot of music careers started by a coversong. (HIM f.ex.)
P.S. boybands generate just money for their producers and record companies. They usually have just a "performance contract" where they get monthly paid, as they seldom write any songs. :P

the formula goes like this:

write songs > generate copyright > sell millions > get rich and live happily ever after

sing songs written by others> have a short fame whilst you look good > live on the dole from 40 on.

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Put their heads on f*cking pikes in front of the venue for all I care.
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This is why Gary Barlow (who wrote all of Take That's songs (except the covers)) is still living in the lap of luxury whereas the rest of them (with the obvious exception of that tw@t Robbie Williams) had to beg him to go back on the road.
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TheBoyNextDoor wrote:Dead_cowboy does so in his first post. Look above.
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markfiend wrote:No, I mean on records. IIRC the royalties get split 50-50 between the writers and the performers.
The Verve's hit Bittersweet symphony relies heavily on a loop sampled from a Stones song.

The Stones took them to court, and now get close to %100 of the royalties. So every time that song is played they get some cash, but what his name from the Verve gets nothing.

So it depends on what the contract says, or in the absence of one, who your lawyer is.

See also differences between rights to perform, release audio, or video re: Gimme Shelter.
Eldritch talks about it somewhere... maybe on the website?

Here we go: http://www.thesistersofmercy.com/gen/fa ... aqnorm.htm
Why isn't 'Gimme Shelter' included on 'Wake'?

Because the Rolling Stones apparently refused to grant the so-called "synchronisation rights" which are necessary for visual cover versions
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Spot the common denominator between the two songs you mention.

Also there's a Carter USM song including the words "Goodbye Ruby Tuesday" which the Stones (or IIRC Andrew Loog Oldham) sued over.
tristren wrote:So it depends on what the contract says, or in the absence of one, who your lawyer is.
The lesson: get a good lawyer! :lol:
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All right all right all right!

Come Together is not a cover! I've edited the post to reflect as much! Stop hitting me! I'll talk! Anything you want! I thought it was the same f--king Beatles song half the bands in the world have covered!

Seriously, my apologies to the die-hards out there. It's good to know there's one more new original I didn't know about.
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Here is my plan. I will gather some of the best sources of these songs through weeding (though if anyone wants to post superior versions online somewhere, that'd be most helpful). Obviously, seeing as how there are no soundboard recordings post-early 90s, I will do the best I can based on these recommendations. Then, I'll weed the collection. Sound good?
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The best sounding version of We Are The Same Suzanne has to be this version.
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Emma/Uptown Ranking...
well i like the belgian version from 2005 the most :wink: :innocent:
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I will do an update of the first post with the best tracks by this weekend.
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on the covers front there's always...
Knocking on Heaven's Door
1969
Where Spirits Fly
Smoke on the Water
Stairway to Heaven
(Didn't Know I Loved you Till) I Saw You Rock 'n' Roll
I Wanna Be Sedated
Capricorn
and
Sugar Baby Love :innocent:

anymore for any more?
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Jolene
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Jolene Jolene Jolene Jolene 8)
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Motz wrote:Jolene
When did you write it - when I typed my first or second or third or fourth 'Jolene'? :lol:
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You haven't mention Gimme Shelter :?:

and Comfortably Numb, Purple Haze, Hey Joe, Killed By Death...

and I remember there were some notes of Walking The Dog as well...
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pikkrong wrote:
Motz wrote:Jolene
When did you write it - when I typed my first or second or third or fourth 'Jolene'? :lol:
I don't know and I don't care, so long as she doesn't take my man ;D
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Motz wrote:
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Motz wrote:Jolene
When did you write it - when I typed my first or second or third or fourth 'Jolene'? :lol:
I don't know and I don't care, so long as she doesn't take my man ;D
your man? :eek:
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Under UK law he's probably neither mine nor a man, but I'm sure we'd rather not split hairs ;)
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I was gonna put boy, but ye ken how some postings can be taken the wrong way, Young Master Motz :|

blummin' flip! even that came out the wrong wa..... I'll stop now :|
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