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Does anyone know who plays bass on the '93 remake of "Alice"? Pearson, Eldritch, Doktor Avalance, session player?
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Doctor E wrote: Does anyone know who plays bass on the '93 remake of "Alice"? Pearson, Eldritch, Doktor Avalance, session player?
ADAM PEARSON????? :eek: :eek: :eek:
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Pearson played guitar on that, I think. As for bass, I'd guess the Doktor, as Tony James had left by then.
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Dark wrote:Pearson played guitar on that, I think.
in '93?
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James Blast wrote:
Dark wrote:Pearson played guitar on that, I think.
in '93?
He did do it on UTG, didn't he? Usually refered to as his only performance on a Sisters-record...
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He played guitar on Under The Gun. Therefore it makes sense that he played on Alice.
Also, the official site wrote:A single featuring new guitarist Adam Pearson 'UNDER THE GUN / ALICE (1993)' is released
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I was honestly wondering because I thought Mr. P didn't do recorded product and I thought Andraes and Tim were still on board. no offence!
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James Blast wrote:I was honestly wondering because I thought Mr. P didn't do recorded product and I thought Andraes and Tim were still on board. no offence!
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James Blast wrote:I was honestly wondering because I thought Mr. P didn't do recorded product and I thought Andraes and Tim were still on board. no offence!
No, Tim was gone by then. Andreas was still in the band, but Adam was able to handle the guitar duties in the studio. (No need to import Andreas back from Germany to England for the takes.) I always found that odd because I was under the impression that Andreas prefered studio work over touring.

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Listened to it again...it's definitely a live bass, not The Dok. It sounds awesome when it comes in...and it's got that 'real' vibe to it...you can make out the sounds of individual strings.

It's a really, really good song. Something about it...the way all the elements coalesce - the guitars, the production, Von's voice, the lyrics...it gives me shivers every time. Sublime.
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Petseri wrote:
James Blast wrote:I was honestly wondering because I thought Mr. P didn't do recorded product and I thought Andraes and Tim were still on board. no offence!
No, Tim was gone by then. Andreas was still in the band, but Adam was able to handle the guitar duties in the studio. (No need to import Andreas back from Germany to England for the takes.) I always found that odd because I was under the impression that Andreas prefered studio work over touring.

What was the orginal question, by the way? Blue hued fonts on a black backgound are not going to get posts read by everyone.
Many thanks for the responses. The original question was: "Does anyone know who plays bass on the '93 remake of "Alice"? Pearson? Eldritch, Doktor Avalance, session player?"

Sorry, I didn't know some people couldn't read the dark blue font. Is that a screen problem? I hope we have no blue-haters in our midst! 8)
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His Dog Napalm wrote:Listened to it again...it's definitely a live bass, not The Dok. It sounds awesome when it comes in...and it's got that 'real' vibe to it...you can make out the sounds of individual strings.

It's a really, really good song. Something about it...the way all the elements coalesce - the guitars, the production, Von's voice, the lyrics...it gives me shivers every time. Sublime.
I agree with you--like totally, as they say--about the song, the guitars, the singing, the bass, and the production. There is something wonderfully claustrophobic and reptilian about this recording. Yes, the bass seems live to me. If you compare the bass sound on the "Alice" remake with the bass on the CD's title track, i.e. "Under the Gun," the evidence is overwhelming that the former is an actual bass and the latter a synth.

I really admire Eldritch for keeping the Sisters going in a bar that's always closing. In the liner notes to Some Girls Wander by Mistake, he writes that Craig Adams "had this bass sound which suddenly defined The Sisters--along with the drum machine." I am all for experimentation, but Eldritch's experiments with removing an element that, in his own opinion, defines the band have not been entirely satisfactory. A case in point: the wimpy "dadoomp-doomp-doomp-synth bass following the line "two worlds apart, two together" on "Under the Gun." (Here, have a Kleenex, Herr Doktor.) The same line played on a real bass by the same fingers that played on "Alice (1993)" would have vastly improved the song.

A live bass player is, in my humble opinion, the wisest option for the Sisters and their seriously overworked Doktor. Unless you can come up with a fully successful alternative, why change the elements that define the band?

Eldritch's production of "Alice (1993)" shows that he had, and I see no reason why he still wouldn't have, the ability to deliver a contemporary version of what made the Sisters so unique and brilliant.

We know that Eldritch played bass with the New Model Army at a benefit concert in Germany not too long ago. Did anyone hear him play there? Is there any chance that he played bass on the Alice remake? Or if he didn't, would any of the people here who have contacts with the band reveal who the Mystery Man/Woman is?
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I'd guess that Eldritch played bass on Alice '93. But it's no more than a guess.
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markfiend wrote:I'd guess that Eldritch played bass on Alice '93. But it's no more than a guess.
That's my guess as well.
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Hmm. Think Eldritch said somewhere that Alice (1993) was completely resurrected in Pro-Tools; which must be one of the first proper uses of it at the time. If that is the case, it might be Adams' bassline adopted and resequenced. that said, if it was Pro Tools II then that was probably quite limited.
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My guess is that you're all wrong, and the bass
was produced electronically, as it is live,
albiet re-sequenced and carefully produced
to sound more organic and subtle than it is
on stage.
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Ocean Moves wrote:My guess is that you're all wrong, and the bass
was produced electronically, as it is live,
albiet re-sequenced and carefully produced
to sound more organic and subtle than it is
on stage.
I reckon the bass is electronic, speaking as a bass player myself (albeit not a brilliant one!). The bassline dosen't feel very real to me.
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