eotunun wrote:It was Einstein who said "I don`t know what weapons the third world war will be fought with, but I am sure that the fourth world war will be fought with clubs and spears!"
I'm ready then!
AVAST!
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eotunun wrote:It was Einstein who said "I don`t know what weapons the third world war will be fought with, but I am sure that the fourth world war will be fought with clubs and spears!"
Aye. And this is my point. I forget who it was that said something along the lines of:eotunun wrote:Aye. We know that scheme from several examples of the last century, along with them the Reich #3.euphoria wrote:Then I'm fully with you on what you wrote above - this conflict was most of all fuelled by disliked governments in the arab world who at last found a chance to blame someone else for what they have failed in (which is everything). I'm even prepared to go further than them "allowing" the embassy attacks - it wouldn't surprise me the least if they brought people in by bus from the poorest areas of the country...i.e. the people who suffer most from their own government. Very cynical but also very logical.
I don't quite get your simile. It's time to go for the muslims?markfiend wrote:The Nazis came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I'm not a Jew.
The Nazis came for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I'm not a Communist.
The Nazis came for the disabled, and I didn't speak up because I'm not disabled.
The Nazis came for me and no-one was left to speak up.
The time to speak up against these people is now.
I see that in the U.S. already. In what way does this have to do with mocking their prophet? If anything, this makes even more people turn radical. In fact, I think the rise of more extreme fractions of Islam in the Middle East is directly attributed to the presence of Western coalition forces in Iraq.eotunun wrote:Well, if the radicals get more power, you may see where the rights that gays and lesbians struggled decades for will go. Down the drain, probably. And you don`t even need muslims, just give the catholic church a go.
So, you're advocating terrorist tactics against perceived terrorists? Again, just look across the pond to see that turned into official policy.eotunun wrote:Did the taliban ask for the religious feelings of others when they blew up the Buddha statues in 1996? And will they tolerate you for tolerating heretics? Did the ones who faked cartoons think about the fact that they offended their very own commandments by this?
So will they reward your tolerance toward them?
Or maybe they just hate our freedom [(c) GWB]. What will the west do when the oil wells run dry, you mean? What's Halliburton doing in Iraq? Speaking up against radicals?eotunun wrote:Ossama was quoted saying something like "We want our oil for us!"
And that is, as I suppose, worth a thought: If the oil wells run dry, how will the Arabians be able to keep up their standards of living? Could it be that there are some pers(ia)ons in the background with enough influence and money to raise such turmoils as to bring the oil price higher as long as this source of money works? Or maybe they are just jealous on the money and power the western governments make on energy related taxes? In the end, it is energy they dug out of arabian deserts, one might say..
... and did anyone wonder where all those danish flags, which gets burned come from? I could guess I wouldnt find in a year as many Danish flags in Berlin as get burned in Beirut in one day.markfiend wrote:
To derail slightly, no-one seems to have picked up that the protests are not about the cartoons that were actually published...This situation has been engineered by imams lying to their followers, in an attempt to whip up anti-Western (in this case anti-Danish) feeling. Why should we curtail our freedoms on the basis of a lie?dead stars wrote:article can be found here:
...The first event was a tour of the Middle East last December undertaken by a group of Danish imams to publicise the cartoons. With them, however, they reportedly took, not only the offending cartoons originally published but several other far more offensive ones that, apparently, they had themselves been responsible for producing. In other words, the outrage over the cartoons has been deliberately engineered by a fabrication of the grounds for it...
Which has, as you mentioned, little to do with what is going on in the middle east. As the drawings are months old.mugabe wrote:I think we might be focusing on different things. My main concern is less that of actually depicting the prophet, but more of the publishing defamatory/intentionally incendiary pictures of the "Arab as terrorist" stereotype under the high-flying flag of "free speech" and "speaking up against the radicals".
A clarifying statement from the government at this point, stating that while they disagree with the material, the paper has the right to publish it, since the press isn't under state control, surely wouldn't harm. Then, again, I have serious doubts about the Danish government, based upon their domestic policy in matters muslim, not to mention the foreign one.eotunun wrote:Still no reason for the danish government to excuse for anything, it was beyond their control.
Because general press control is wrong.
Bubba.
Yep, I read it in the newspaper today. And according to what I have heard the movie is relatively accurate.Obviousman wrote:I read Edmund Stoiber (minister-president of Bayern // CSU) wants a Turkish movie to be banned from German cinemas
Not only the business, the people's nature too.eotunun wrote:That is the big problem. The media need exciting storries. Catastrophies and fools deliver them. Nature of the buisiness.
Sad but true. Human behavior.Obviousman wrote: What would you rather read if you're living in Iraq 'America starts attack' or 'Europe talks on'?
99% if not all will read the first article first, perhaps it's even the only thing they read. And it's far more likely to end up on the front pages in the first place...
Crap isn't it? I come back to the same point that it's people doing it because they want to (much like the mad protests). In both cases they want to pretend that they are deeply offended / protecting freedom of speech. What there really doing is finding a means of attacking the other, that's the infidel or the person of another race.Dark wrote:Aww, look at the Italian Nazi cunts, they think wearing insulting t-shirts is a political statement.