Unknown songs and demos, who wrote what, who sang what, the usual biographies, discography gubbins, photos of Eldritch with no sunglasses, etc, etc, etc, yadda, yadda, yadda....
Dan wrote:Yep, Birmingham 7.4.84.
I always thought the gig was at 'Birmingham Fantasy Club', then someone told me that Fantasy Club was a part of Tin Can.
The Tin can was a weekly Alternative night run at the Fantasy strip club in Birmingham.It was ace you could listen to some top music then go and watch hard-core porn on one of those "what-the-butler-saw" type machines.
I used to go most weeks and saw Southern death cult and NMA in their early days amongst others.The one week I didn't go,as it was Thatch's 80's and it was a case of "shall I go and see this band I'd only knew one song by or eat this week?" turned out to be Hussey's first gig with the Sisters.Bum!
The photographs of God I bought have almost faded away
22 Sep 83 - Hacienda, Manchester
29 Oct 83 - Alexandria Hotel, Los Angeles, CA
31 Oct 83 - I-Beam, San Francisco, CA
22 Dec 83 - Alexandria Hotel, Los Angeles, CA
Wayne joins sometime in here.
7 Apr 84 - Fantasy Club, Birmingham (Fan Club only)
11 Apr 84 - Spit Club, Boston, MA
12 Apr 84 - East Side Club, Philadelphia, PA
davedecay wrote:22 Dec 83 - Alexandria Hotel, Los Angeles, CA
That's obviously the 29 Oct show wrongly dated.
I'm sure Ben would have played the Hacienda show.
yes, the article clearly states a couple of shows on the west coast, usually two
hmmm, those dates without ben could well be the ones that tom ashton played as stand-in
i'll ask around
on a related note, i was chatting recently with gary about this era of the band and he made the following comment:
Gary Marx wrote:The (gigography) list reminded me that I threw up on Wayne as the
pair of us collapsed in the back of our hired car taking us to Boston.
when you realise that the list is
07 Apr 1984 Birmingham, England Tin Can Ballroom
11 Apr 1984 Boston, USA Spit Club
its quite a "welcome" poor old wayne received innit?
What’s the difference between a buffalo and a bison?
Dan wrote:
That's obviously the 29 Oct show wrongly dated.
I'm sure Ben would have played the Hacienda show.
yes, the article clearly states a couple of shows on the west coast, usually two
hmmm, those dates without ben could well be the ones that tom ashton played as stand-in
i'll ask around
on a related note, i was chatting recently with gary about this era of the band and he made the following comment:
Gary Marx wrote:The (gigography) list reminded me that I threw up on Wayne as the
pair of us collapsed in the back of our hired car taking us to Boston.
when you realise that the list is
07 Apr 1984 Birmingham, England Tin Can Ballroom
11 Apr 1984 Boston, USA Spit Club
its quite a "welcome" poor old wayne received innit?
That'll be the official confirmation of the anecdote I mentioned ages ago, as to why they started wearing hat's!
I've also never been able to tell by listening whether there was one or two guitarists at the LA and SF shows.
a same problem, everyone? one or two guitarists? i thought it's easy to recognize.
me think they play stockholm, and they play october. i don't wanna change my list anymore is it so difficult to move asses with 3 days from sweden to west coast? maybe they play test gig with one guitarist, without big publicity, they like it far enough to back to us and play 3 more gigs planned before and no need to cancell it.
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one guy few days ago tells me that he seen full 13.04.1984 New York on somebody list. i told him that is rather impossible, couse theres only three tracks exist from it
lachert wrote:one guy few days ago tells me that he seen full 13.04.1984 New York on somebody list. i told him that is rather impossible, couse theres only three tracks exist from it
No, only 3 songs are circulating. Maybe he has it. If he's not one of those rare-wallah's then maybe he'll let you have a copy. It can't hurt to ask.
Glasperlenspeil wrote:This means the Sisters in-house gentleman paratrooper, Ian Robertson, a.k.a Robbo, ex-road manager for Oasis, ex-Paratroop Regiment, ex-security for Sigue Sigue Sputnik.
I'm pretty sure that I have the full thing, definitely more than just 3 songs anyway.
I'll have to pay a visit to my parents house to check out, cos that's where it lives right now, so all going well, I should be able to confirm or deny in 5 or so days time.
If I told them once, I told them a hundred times to put 'Spinal Tap' first and 'Puppet Show' last.
OK, I wasn't talking about New York there, obviously. Here's what's on my copy of Wayne's debut. Might be of interest as a "historical document".
Here's what I have - labelled as "Birmingham Fantasy Club 7th April 1984". It's in diabolical condition, with the
tape it came from audibly deteriorating towards the end. Many songs are cut a few seconds off the end - where
this has a noticeable impact I've indicated so. I've also noted where drop outs occur, although I've never
actually bothered to listen to the full thing so I can't say if the list is complete.
I've also noted anything of particular interest about individual tracks. Sister Ray/Etc means exactly what it
says - the usual 83/84/85 medley. I'm sure there's some Louie Louie and Ghostrider in there, but I haven't
listened to that either - the tape is in really bad condition by that point and it's a trial to get past even
2 minutes.
I've included audience noise and Von remarks where I can distinguish them. In some cases it's hard to, so I've
just put in either "..." or "something" or "something indistinguishable". I'm sure that more careful listening
would clear it all up.
The Jesus/Gospel/Ladies chants are presumably as a result of the dresses!!!
Burn
(thanks)
(yeah)
Heartland
(thanks!)
(crowd: Gospel!!! Gospel!!! Gospel!!!)
(something comes tomorrow but i thought you'd like to see it while we're still here)
(this is wayne! he's very good)
Walk Away (original lyrics) (last few seconds cut)
(ah ah)
(crowd: Gospel!!! Gospel!!! Gospel!!!)
(person: ... with his back turned to us, he's f**king around...)
(OK)
(person: that's the drum machine innit?)
Anaconda (last few seconds also cut)
(this is a new song called body and soul, some other stuff)
(Crowd: Jesus!!! Jesus!!! Jesus!!! Gospel!!! Gospel!!! Gospel!!! Ladies!!!)
Body And Soul (also cut, with pretty severe drop out part way through)
Floorshow
(train)
Train (slightly different guitar sound to later, includes von shrieks)
(von mumbles something indistinguishable)
(emma!)
Emma (with original '83 doktor intro) (cut)
(someone shouts for Good Things!!!)
Adrenochrome
(thanks)
(someone shouts for Good Things!!! again!!!)
(someone shouts for temple)
Alice
(gimme gimme gimme)
(gimme gimme gimme - haw haw haw)
Gimme Gimme Gimme
(something indistinguishable - original tape must have been damaged at this point)
Body Electric (tape bady deteriorating toward the end)
(thanks. bye bye)
(partly distinguishable muttering)
Sister Ray/Etc (11 minutes)
If I told them once, I told them a hundred times to put 'Spinal Tap' first and 'Puppet Show' last.
If you're happy to put up the dreadful bits - every chance.
Was just listening to bits of Stockholm. Von actually adds some lyrics to Temple for a change - "and the tears he cried will fall and rain on walls as wide as lovers eyes". Nothing too dramatic. There's definitely only one guitar on Temple too - Craig does the second guitar bits on bass in places, similar to april 85 onwards.
On the Stockholm 85 gig, he comes out with his famous "Heeeyyy Eeeeengleeesh! Why you no play Temple Of Love?". The next part is less well known however, and is something like: "because we played it last time we were here", which supports the case that the 83 gig did happen.
If I told them once, I told them a hundred times to put 'Spinal Tap' first and 'Puppet Show' last.
mh wrote:
On the Stockholm 85 gig, he comes out with his famous "Heeeyyy Eeeeengleeesh! Why you no play Temple Of Love?". The next part is less well known however, and is something like: "because we played it last time we were here", which supports the case that the 83 gig did happen.
IIRC it's "Hey Inglese !"
There's another gig, I think it's Amsterdam 84, where Gary plays the intro to Temple and then stops. then says "I know, it's cruel".
I'd end this moment to be with you
Through morphic oceans I'd lay here with you
Dark wrote:Any chance of turning that tape into a nice CD-R?
There's a weed going here. I'll check to see if the identifiers are the same, but looking at who the source for the weed was, I don't think there's any doubt it's the right concert.
It might be from a different original tape than mh's copy though.
The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.
—Bertrand Russell
(something comes tomorrow but i thought you'd like to see it while we're still here)
Yeah it's the same concert. But I think the crowd are chanting "God Squad", not "Gospel"
And there don't seem to be any cuts in the weeded version. (I've just been listening to the start and end of each track for the crowd noise / Eldritch comments)
The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.
—Bertrand Russell
I reckon that Dark is probably better off going for the weed than for my version, cos mine really is very very bad. It was like that when I got it though.
If I told them once, I told them a hundred times to put 'Spinal Tap' first and 'Puppet Show' last.
is it so difficult to move asses with 3 days from sweden to west coast? maybe they play test gig with one guitarist, without big publicity, they like it far enough to back to us and play 3 more gigs planned before and no need to cancell it.
then says "I know, it's cruel". 
