lets go to Church ;-)

Andy TG · 19 Apr 2006, 00:06

wild bill buttock wrote:"Pass me another choirboy verger,this ones split."

Or even "pass me another chiorboy, this ones a girl!"

Dark · 19 Apr 2006, 00:13

Fruit juice/monitor interface.

wild bill buttock · 19 Apr 2006, 00:14

Andy TG wrote:This "News" article really gets my back up, as I am a fervent anti-christian, and have bben for years!

After almost 20 years of being a *cough* "Goth" I am starting to have serious doubts about the whole genre and my place within it.

I do not normally "do" regret, but the times that are a changing.

Nah,my old son.Its that old middle class thing isn't it?While said Vicar was at Uni doing his theology degree he probably had a couple of weeks rebelling against mater and pater as a goth when they refused to suppliment his grant anymore.Now the nob has watched Coronation street and heard the word goth mentioned and thought he can show how cool and trendy he is,except as usual the church is about 30 years behind on cool and trendy at the best of times.
But regretting being a goth is definately something I did on Saturday night when I saw two bands that advertised themselves as "goth" and turned out to be both somekind of bastard offspring of a bizarre coupling between Iron Maiden and Metal-licker,Beware should either "Moriarti and the Sith" or "Abigails Mercy"come you're way they are both horrendous heavy metal s**t e dressed in goth Knickers.

Andy TG · 19 Apr 2006, 00:41

wild bill buttock wrote:
Andy TG wrote:This "News" article really gets my back up, as I am a fervent anti-christian, and have bben for years!

After almost 20 years of being a *cough* "Goth" I am starting to have serious doubts about the whole genre and my place within it.

I do not normally "do" regret, but the times that are a changing.
Nah,my old son.Its that old middle class thing isn't it?While said Vicar was at Uni doing his theology degree he probably had a couple of weeks rebelling against mater and pater as a goth when they refused to suppliment his grant anymore.Now the nob has watched Coronation street and heard the word goth mentioned and thought he can show how cool and trendy he is,except as usual the church is about 30 years behind on cool and trendy at the best of times.
But regretting being a goth is definately something I did on Saturday night when I saw two bands that advertised themselves as "goth" and turned out to be both somekind of bastard offspring of a bizarre coupling between Iron Maiden and Metal-licker,Beware should either "Moriarti and the Sith" or "Abigails Mercy"come you're way they are both horrendous heavy metal s**t e dressed in goth Knickers.

Completely OFF TOPIC I am off to a Zodiac Mindwarp gig in Cardiff a week Thursday - which is gonna be great. The only unfortunate thing is that they are supporting "Love / Hate"

There is a regular "Goth" night, held monthly at the Ice Rink in Cardiff. I, and many other like minded friends, do NOT bother to attend this event as the music is CRAP!

Its all Cyber / EBM and the regulars ALL love to flap about with glow sticks to "Hardcore Motherf**ker" or something.

No-one has ever looked good in Goggles - unless they are swimming.

Apologies to any cyber / emb fans reading this. To me it just sounds like Rave Music without the Prozac

I have no opinion about the "Church" per se, its not something that I want to think about. Other "Life Matters" are far more important than Doctrine

wild bill buttock · 19 Apr 2006, 00:46

Saw Zodiac at Whitby a couple of years ago and he's still ace and rocks like a bastard.Also saw Love/hate in 1990(The bird's fault) and they didn't.

wild bill buttock · 19 Apr 2006, 00:54

Perhaps we need a warning thread so as to warn others as to goth bands,clubs and pubs that ain't anything of the sort.Its so s**t when you get all dressed up and end up surrounded by bell-ends in leather trenchcoats with crayola all over their spotty faces listening to cak heavy metal or cock-heads in spandex and goggles with their crap bleepy sub-techno.

Dark · 19 Apr 2006, 00:56

wild bill buttock wrote:crap bleepy sub-techno.

I resent that remark.

It's not bleepy.

wild bill buttock · 19 Apr 2006, 00:58

Boingy then?

daggs · 19 Apr 2006, 01:00

Andy TG wrote:
daggs wrote:can you imagine the "hymn books"
Hymn 48 ".....hey now, hey now now..."
@ Daggs

LMAOLOTF! - Thanks for actually making my day!

pleased to be of service

boudicca · 19 Apr 2006, 01:30

wild bill buttock wrote:I saw two bands that advertised themselves as "goth" and turned out to be both somekind of bastard offspring of a bizarre coupling between Iron Maiden and Metal-licker,Beware should either "Moriarti and the Sith" or "Abigails Mercy"come you're way they are both horrendous heavy metal s**t e dressed in goth Knickers.

Oh dear, I don't think d00mw0lf will be too happy if she reads that!

wild bill buttock · 19 Apr 2006, 01:37

boudicca wrote:
wild bill buttock wrote:I saw two bands that advertised themselves as "goth" and turned out to be both somekind of bastard offspring of a bizarre coupling between Iron Maiden and Metal-licker,Beware should either "Moriarti and the Sith" or "Abigails Mercy"come you're way they are both horrendous heavy metal s**t e dressed in goth Knickers.
Oh dear, I don't think d00mw0lf will be too happy if she reads that!

Please elaborate.Don't think the bassist out of Abigails will be too happy either and I know his brother.No offence but neither band are my bag and unless I missed something Metallica(who's tune both bands covered in a "Grande Finale")are NOT and have never been anything to do with goth.

timsinister · 19 Apr 2006, 09:57

Well spotted, boudicca!

Professor d00mw0lf is an ardent fan of one, and best friends with most of the other. Everyone's entitled to their opinions, of course - having seen little of either, I'm not passing comment.

Where is she, anyway?

On another topic, I can't argue with Bill's comments, but what can you do? Old Goth is slipping away, as the saying goes, they are 'few and far between'. Look at Heartland, there's a handful of us under twenty-five, and less of the new wave want to hear music made in the eighties. They'd much rather believe it all started with HIM or some other laughable nineties reject...

Good Grief, cynicism on your cornflakes? It's a little too early...

Badlander · 19 Apr 2006, 10:09

timsinister wrote:Look at Heartland, there's a handful of us under twenty-five, and less of the new wave want to hear music made in the eighties. They'd much rather believe it all started with HIM or some other laughable nineties reject...

It has always been thus... Back when I was a teen 70s rock was the devil !

And I don't mean the devil in a I-hate-myself-and-I-kill-myself-every-morning goth kind of way.

Jaimie1980 · 19 Apr 2006, 17:30

I've considered myself to be anti - Christian. What I probably was was anti - The Church. I don't have any problem with Jesus. It's the double standards of most who claim to be his followers that I have a real problem with.

Although it's surrounded by alot of hype there may be something in the present notion that The Church covered up alot of Jesus' teachings.

Anyway, wonder what Depeche they'll be playing, Personal Jesus?

timsinister · 20 Apr 2006, 13:19

They're stepping up security...

http://community.livejournal.com/uk_goths/209275.html

20 Apr 2006, 13:42

Driven wrote:Although it's surrounded by alot of hype there may be something in the present notion that The Church covered up alot of Jesus' teachings.

Granting that Jesus ever really existed (which I'm not sure is necessarily the case) it's difficult to know how much of his original teachings ever made it into the Bible as we know it now. See here for an introduction to various scholarly theories on the historicity of Jesus.

It's almost certain that at least some, if not all, of Jesus' sayings are later fabrications by the gospel writers and editors, and the earliest canonical Christian documents (Paul's authentic letters, Mark's Gospel) have the least biographical detail and "quotes". The early Christian documents that survive show a clear process of mythmaking and syncretion around a central figure who may, ironically for someone around whom one of the largest religions (or group of religions) is built, remain forever obscure.