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canon docre wrote:Ahh, so this is the thread I've been waiting for so long. Now I can ask all my pestering grammar questions.
So, can someone please expalin to me the differences of use between "which", "that" and "who" in a subordinate sentence?
Like: "the arsehole, which/who/that is shouting at me deserves a sound kicking."
- The arsehole which is shouting at me is my boss
In the case of which, the subordinate clause provides more information about the arsehole, but does not define a particular arsehole. That is provided by the further clause "is my boss". - The arsehole that is shouting at me deserves a sound kicking.
In the case of that, the subordinate clause defines the particular arsehole being talked about. (That is usually used of inanimate objects rather than people though.) - The arsehole who is shouting at me deserves a sound kicking.
When it is people about whom we are talking, the use of who is more usual.
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I've not described that very well.
I drive a car which is purple.
(Which provides more information about my car but does not define which car.)
My car is the one that is parked outside my house.
(That defines the particular car)
If we're talking about a person, which becomes who but that remains that.
I'm a man who has far too much time to spend on abstruse grammatical questions on the Internet.
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I think. Anyone help me out here?
I drive a car which is purple.
(Which provides more information about my car but does not define which car.)
My car is the one that is parked outside my house.
(That defines the particular car)
If we're talking about a person, which becomes who but that remains that.
I'm a man who has far too much time to spend on abstruse grammatical questions on the Internet.
I'm the Heartlander that has the dancing meerkat avatar.
I think. Anyone help me out here?
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witdaeyamean accent?hallucienate wrote:Laak, sum of us type wiff funny aksents.
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this sentence can't be right. it sounds as if you were a "neutral". why not "who"markfiend wrote: I'm the Heartlander that has the dancing meerkat avatar.
this is the essential phrase for me. it saves me from meditating about each post...Grammar master markfiend wrote:This is picking nits really though; most native English speakers will use which/who/that pretty much interchangably in all cases.
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here's some sedatives mfmarkfiend wrote:Anyone help me out here?
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you must be kidding. I dont understand a word, when the HL weegies have an internal talk.DerekR wrote:My advice? Stick to Scottish, it's a lot closer to German than Englishcanon docre wrote:this is the essential phrase for me. it saves me from meditating about each post...
Put their heads on f*cking pikes in front of the venue for all I care.
Weegie...........Weegie.........Whay ur you ca'in' a Weegie?canon docre wrote:you must be kidding. I dont understand a word, when the HL weegies have an internal talk.DerekR wrote:My advice? Stick to Scottish, it's a lot closer to German than Englishcanon docre wrote:this is the essential phrase for me. it saves me from meditating about each post...
Being brave is coming home at 2am half drunk, smelling of perfume, climbing into bed, slapping the wife on the arse and saying,"right fatty, you're next!!"
a) I'm not an arsehole, andcanon docre wrote:Like: "the arsehole, which/who/that is shouting at me deserves a sound kicking."
b) I wasn't shouting ...
... much.
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typical man. always need to have the last word.Johnny M wrote:a) I'm not an arsehole, andcanon docre wrote:Like: "the arsehole, which/who/that is shouting at me deserves a sound kicking."
b) I wasn't shouting ...
... much.
Put their heads on f*cking pikes in front of the venue for all I care.
Not at all. Was just trying to remember how many times you sampled each 'colour' of Barcardi Breezer and in the cold light of morning was 'orange' still the winner?canon docre wrote:typical man. always need to have the last word.Johnny M wrote:a) I'm not an arsehole, andcanon docre wrote:Like: "the arsehole, which/who/that is shouting at me deserves a sound kicking."
b) I wasn't shouting ...
... much.
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