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I actually have no excuse for bad English as I'm meant to be writing all day in my job.. hence my text messages last for fricking ever..
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canon docre wrote:Ahh, so this is the thread I've been waiting for so long. Now I can ask all my pestering grammar questions. :P

So, can someone please expalin to me the differences of use between "which", "that" and "who" in a subordinate sentence?

Like: "the arsehole, which/who/that is shouting at me deserves a sound kicking."

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  • The arsehole which is shouting at me is my boss
    In the case of which, the subordinate clause provides more information about the arsehole, but does not define a particular arsehole. That is provided by the further clause "is my boss".
  • The arsehole that is shouting at me deserves a sound kicking.
    In the case of that, the subordinate clause defines the particular arsehole being talked about. (That is usually used of inanimate objects rather than people though.)
  • The arsehole who is shouting at me deserves a sound kicking.
    When it is people about whom we are talking, the use of who is more usual.
This is picking nits really though; most native English speakers will use which/who/that pretty much interchangably in all cases.
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I've not described that very well.

I drive a car which is purple.
(Which provides more information about my car but does not define which car.)
My car is the one that is parked outside my house.
(That defines the particular car)

If we're talking about a person, which becomes who but that remains that.
I'm a man who has far too much time to spend on abstruse grammatical questions on the Internet.
I'm the Heartlander that has the dancing meerkat avatar.

I think. Anyone help me out here?
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hallucienate wrote:Laak, sum of us type wiff funny aksents.
witdaeyamean accent?
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markfiend wrote: I'm the Heartlander that has the dancing meerkat avatar.
:eek: this sentence can't be right. it sounds as if you were a "neutral". why not "who" :?:
Grammar master markfiend wrote:This is picking nits really though; most native English speakers will use which/who/that pretty much interchangably in all cases.
this is the essential phrase for me. 8) it saves me from meditating about each post...

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markfiend wrote:Anyone help me out here?
here's some sedatives mf ;D
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canon docre wrote:this is the essential phrase for me. 8) it saves me from meditating about each post...

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My advice? Stick to Scottish, it's a lot closer to German than English :wink:
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DerekR wrote:
canon docre wrote:this is the essential phrase for me. 8) it saves me from meditating about each post...

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My advice? Stick to Scottish, it's a lot closer to German than English :wink:
you must be kidding. I dont understand a word, when the HL weegies have an internal talk.
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canon docre wrote:
DerekR wrote:
canon docre wrote:this is the essential phrase for me. 8) it saves me from meditating about each post...

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My advice? Stick to Scottish, it's a lot closer to German than English :wink:
you must be kidding. I dont understand a word, when the HL weegies have an internal talk.
Weegie...........Weegie.........Whay ur you ca'in' a Weegie? :twisted: :lol:
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canon docre wrote:you must be kidding. I dont understand a word, when the HL weegies have an internal talk.
Ach ye'll pick it up, dinnae worry hen :lol:
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canon docre wrote:Like: "the arsehole, which/who/that is shouting at me deserves a sound kicking."
a) I'm not an arsehole, and
b) I wasn't shouting ...

... much. :innocent: :wink: :lol:
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Johnny M wrote:
canon docre wrote:Like: "the arsehole, which/who/that is shouting at me deserves a sound kicking."
a) I'm not an arsehole, and
b) I wasn't shouting ...

... much. :innocent: :wink: :lol:
typical man. always need to have the last word. :roll: :lol:
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canon docre wrote:
Johnny M wrote:
canon docre wrote:Like: "the arsehole, which/who/that is shouting at me deserves a sound kicking."
a) I'm not an arsehole, and
b) I wasn't shouting ...

... much. :innocent: :wink: :lol:
typical man. always need to have the last word. :roll: :lol:
Not at all. Was just trying to remember how many times you sampled each 'colour' of Barcardi Breezer and in the cold light of morning was 'orange' still the winner? :innocent:

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