Where were you 5 years ago

eotunun · 13 Sep 2006, 00:56

DidnÂ´t have my trip over the siderail yet:
Did you know that in germany alone ten times the fund was raised as compared to what rich Saudi Arabia would give to help at least them muslim brothers?
At Troisdorf (seek me on our Frappr map to find the sad spot), a metal concert was given (with me as a helper there) where Perzonal War, Sixfinger and Corr (no longer existing..) scratched up 1000â‚¬ to give to The Greenhelmets (when you ask me why not to bomb my hometown they are about the only good reason which makes it worth leaving it intact as they come from here..), giving a new house/half a fisherboat to some family struck by the flood.
Then there were hundreds of dead tourists that are hardly remembered. Their survivng relatives who depended on them know have indifferent offices to talk to.
The difference was the flood was an act of god. 9/11 inscened by his fans.

nick the stripper · 13 Sep 2006, 07:38

James Blast wrote:youth, oh youth

If you can't joke about terrorism, what can you joke about?

9while9 · 13 Sep 2006, 16:13

nick the stripper wrote:
James Blast wrote:youth, oh youth
If you can't joke about terrorism, what can you joke about?

Your diminishing brain cells......

nick the stripper · 13 Sep 2006, 16:28

9while9 wrote:
nick the stripper wrote:
James Blast wrote:youth, oh youth
If you can't joke about terrorism, what can you joke about?
Your diminishing brain cells......

Seriously though, I'd rather joke about something, even in bad taste, than whine and have to be all sorrowful about it. Life's too short.

edit - how big of an affect did this honestly have on you guys? They were simply buildings, and - I'm guessing, considering you all live either in the UK or elsewhere in Europe - that you knew none of the people personally in those buildings.

13 Sep 2006, 16:40

A friend of mine, his twin brother was working in the World Trade Centre during 2001, and only missed being there that day because he was late for work. I know it's a pretty tenuous connection.

The attack scared me quite badly at the time. Like I said, I was convinced GWB would launch a nuclear attack (against whom? I dunno) over the next month or so. Instead he "only" started the unwinnable "war against terror".

Dark · 13 Sep 2006, 16:42

nick the stripper wrote:Seriously though, I'd rather joke about something, even in bad taste, than whine and have to be all sorrowful about it. Life's too short.

Understood, and agreed with.

weebleswobble · 13 Sep 2006, 16:54

nick the stripper wrote:
edit - how big of an affect did this honestly have on you guys? They were simply buildings, and - I'm guessing, considering you all live either in the UK or elsewhere in Europe - that you knew none of the people personally in those buildings.

Simply buildings? Are you f**king serious??

No I didn't know any of the people, what difference does that make?

Being compassionate for others is part of being human, "Oh look someone being murdered but I don't know them so it's ok"

Badlander · 13 Sep 2006, 17:24

weebleswobble wrote:
nick the stripper wrote:
edit - how big of an affect did this honestly have on you guys? They were simply buildings, and - I'm guessing, considering you all live either in the UK or elsewhere in Europe - that you knew none of the people personally in those buildings.
Simply buildings? Are you f**king serious??

No I didn't know any of the people, what difference does that make?

Being compassionate for others is part of being human, "Oh look someone being murdered but I don't know them so it's ok"

Agreed. I was going to say more or less the same thing.
BTW he who does not show compassion can not expect any from others.

Obviousman · 13 Sep 2006, 17:31

nick the stripper wrote:
edit - how big of an affect did this honestly have on you guys? They were simply buildings, and - I'm guessing, considering you all live either in the UK or elsewhere in Europe - that you knew none of the people personally in those buildings.

At the time the effect was pretty much limited to shock and awe, but afterwards it has become the excuse all despots dreamt of to take away bits of freedom slowly, enforce strict laws, of which we shouldn't be feeling the effect but are. I think it's more than quite a bit too harsh to wish something like this to happen, even to your worst enemy and even more so considering only about 22% of the Americans voted Bush (and I presume even less New Yorkers?). Therefore I do see this as a bad thing, just as every other attack on whoever/whatever wherever.

9while9 · 13 Sep 2006, 18:05

nick the stripper wrote:
9while9 wrote:
nick the stripper wrote: If you can't joke about terrorism, what can you joke about?
Your diminishing brain cells......

Seriously though, I'd rather joke about something, even in bad taste, than whine and have to be all sorrowful about it. Life's too short.

edit - how big of an affect did this honestly have on you guys? They were simply buildings, and - I'm guessing, considering you all live either in the UK or elsewhere in Europe - that you knew none of the people personally in those buildings.

I like you Nick but you need to learn to practice empathy.

1. the intellectual identification with or vicarious experiencing of the feelings, thoughts, or attitudes of another.

I've read that sociopaths lack this ability.

9while9 · 13 Sep 2006, 18:17

Obviousman wrote:
nick the stripper wrote:
edit - how big of an affect did this honestly have on you guys? They were simply buildings, and - I'm guessing, considering you all live either in the UK or elsewhere in Europe - that you knew none of the people personally in those buildings.
At the time the effect was pretty much limited to shock and awe, but afterwards it has become the excuse all despots dreamt of to take away bits of freedom slowly, enforce strict laws, of which we shouldn't be feeling the effect but are. I think it's more than quite a bit too harsh to wish something like this to happen, even to your worst enemy and even more so considering only about 22% of the Americans voted Bush (and I presume even less New Yorkers?). Therefore I do see this as a bad thing, just as every other attack on whoever/whatever wherever.

Riddle me this: How many balls out terrorist attacks on America in the last 5 years?

An how many do you think America would have had if the government would have been totally passive after 9/11?
Had the government waged a war of words only I believe it would emboldened many more groups of terrorists.

And if you guys need a little comedy on this subject > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8ItdXy9lxI

James Blast · 13 Sep 2006, 18:35

Damn, he's good! if somewhat misguided, but hey, it's comedy...

can't help wondering what Bill Hicks take on it would be

9while9 · 13 Sep 2006, 18:47

James Blast wrote:Damn, he's good! if somewhat misguided, but hey, it's comedy...

can't help wondering what Bill Hicks take on it would be

Bill Hicks you say, very funny > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI79SAvpRGY

Complete derail of thread in progress..........

aims · 13 Sep 2006, 18:57

9while9 wrote:I like you Nick but you need to learn to practice empathy.

1. the intellectual identification with or vicarious experiencing of the feelings, thoughts, or attitudes of another.

I've read that sociopaths lack this ability.

Nowhere in your posts do I see any attempt at understanding or rationalising the motives of the attackers. Empathy's not a selective thing.

Dark · 13 Sep 2006, 19:11

I found Jon Stewart to be pretty damn funny. But then, I likes all these topical funnies, me.

9while9 · 13 Sep 2006, 19:12

Motz wrote:
9while9 wrote:I like you Nick but you need to learn to practice empathy.

1. the intellectual identification with or vicarious experiencing of the feelings, thoughts, or attitudes of another.

I've read that sociopaths lack this ability.
Nowhere in your posts do I see any attempt at understanding or rationalising the motives of the attackers. Empathy's not a selective thing.

Surly your joking.

An intelligent individual would reserve empathy for those who are under duress.Not a spoiled child who acts out because he feels he has been wronged.

Are you upset because you lack the ability to feel empathy?

I do however feel great empathy for those who are ruled by these thugs,
and people who are used in the name of a religion.

Badlander · 13 Sep 2006, 19:13

Motz wrote:
9while9 wrote:I like you Nick but you need to learn to practice empathy.

1. the intellectual identification with or vicarious experiencing of the feelings, thoughts, or attitudes of another.

I've read that sociopaths lack this ability.
Nowhere in your posts do I see any attempt at understanding or rationalising the motives of the attackers. Empathy's not a selective thing.

Ouch ! Good point.

One man's terrorist organisation always is another man's liberation movement.

Which is no excuse, I know.

James Blast · 13 Sep 2006, 19:14

Nice reply 9w9

9while9 · 13 Sep 2006, 19:16

Dark wrote:I found Jon Stewart to be pretty damn funny. But then, I likes all these topical funnies, me.

I liked Stewart in this clip > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGWlLohPMik

Dark · 13 Sep 2006, 19:29

9while9 wrote:
Dark wrote:I found Jon Stewart to be pretty damn funny. But then, I likes all these topical funnies, me.
I liked Stewart in this clip > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGWlLohPMik

A-fuckin'-pproved!

aims · 13 Sep 2006, 19:40

9while9 wrote:An intelligent individual would reserve empathy for those who are under duress. Not a spoiled child who acts out because he feels he has been wronged.

Unless you made that judgement after a great deal of empathic thinking, then I think my point is very much reinforced.

9while9 · 13 Sep 2006, 19:53

Motz wrote:
9while9 wrote:An intelligent individual would reserve empathy for those who are under duress. Not a spoiled child who acts out because he feels he has been wronged.
Unless you made that judgement after a great deal of empathic thinking, then I think my point is very much reinforced.

Interesting exercise in Spin you've got going here, Motz.

Spin Definition: twist and turn so as to give an intended interpretation

weebleswobble · 13 Sep 2006, 20:00

Motz wrote:
9while9 wrote:I like you Nick but you need to learn to practice empathy.

1. the intellectual identification with or vicarious experiencing of the feelings, thoughts, or attitudes of another.

I've read that sociopaths lack this ability.
Nowhere in your posts do I see any attempt at understanding or rationalising the motives of the attackers. Empathy's not a selective thing.

If you can rationalise flying a plane, full of innocent people, into a building full of innocent people then go ahead.

Me? I think you're talking pish......

9while9 · 13 Sep 2006, 20:03

James Blast wrote:Nice reply 9w9

Why thank you James,

all ways nice to be appreciated by people you respect.

scotty · 13 Sep 2006, 20:04

weebleswobble wrote:
Motz wrote:
9while9 wrote:I like you Nick but you need to learn to practice empathy.

1. the intellectual identification with or vicarious experiencing of the feelings, thoughts, or attitudes of another.

I've read that sociopaths lack this ability.
Nowhere in your posts do I see any attempt at understanding or rationalising the motives of the attackers. Empathy's not a selective thing.
If you can rationalise flying a plane, full of innocent people, into a building full of innocent people then go ahead.

Me? I think you're talking pish......

Amen Stephen

, a heinous crime against Humanity how ever you want to dress it up.