rare items

Drsisters · 16 May 2003, 09:44

will scan some of my collection one day when i can be arsed to buy either a digicam or a scanner

found a german release of body and soul with the press fax for WEA here in Sweden, I bought it for 10Â£, for a time ago a guy offered me 300Â£ for the item

Silence is platinum · 16 May 2003, 10:06

what happened with the "halloween" box you mentioned yesterday,
did you buy it?

Y · 16 May 2003, 18:56

taylor wrote:>What are you guys taling about???
>Sisters highlight in collection are OFFICIAL recordings!!!

very few official recording are high valuable, and I dont mean Damage or Body......there're a lot of old bootlegs vinyls that are much more valuable than original items, and I dont mean Halloween or so but records that never come out or done in very small quantity and kept in warehouse for years. Every big collector (and I mean BIG) got few very rare or one off items in the collection, Y got few, Robin got few, the italian guy also few,
but the really essence are the rare bootlegs stuffs that make big a collection. On ebay original stuffs rise up with high ammount but very few bids of always same people. Bootlegs stuffs rise up very high prices with a lot of different bids. This because everyones want have it. A Sisters collection without a good bootleg section isn't a big collection

I have to disgree totally with you on that one... I have 3-4 bootlegs in my collection and I don't even consider them part of it. Since I have very few, would this mean my collection isn't big or valuable? I do have close to 400 official records and CDs, I don't think it's a small.

You are right about more rare bootlegs than officials.... Since most of them are made in small quantities and that the Sisters have played live often, more live stuff is probably harder to find than some widely released records. But, if you take it in a different perspective, how much would be a bootleg limited 100 VS an official record limited 100, I think the official is worth more.

There are probably more rare official records and CDs than you think. A few come in mind: Japanese promo CDs and LPs, Floodland Uruguay LP & This Corrosion South African 7".

I'm not bitching about bootlegs, I think they are great thing to collect, but they are not for me!!

taylor · 16 May 2003, 19:19

>There are probably more rare official records and CDs than you think. A >few come in mind: Japanese promo CDs and LPs, Floodland Uruguay LP >& This Corrosion South African 7".

sorry but I dont consider rare the above items, if you search in depth are easy availables, I know seller in sud america that got Uruguay copy in stock and Japanese sellers that got also the promo cd as well

I agree with you regards the boot aren't essential but disagree with Dan that consider only cd-r or tapes calling rubbish all bootlegs vinyls.
this not true, there's some old boot that are well manufctured and essential in any collection. For me that lives in Germany, psychedelic lp was the only way to listen some news tracks at time. No radio broad here

Y · 16 May 2003, 23:07

taylor wrote:sorry but I dont consider rare the above items, if you search in depth are easy availables, I know seller in sud america that got Uruguay copy in stock and Japanese sellers that got also the promo cd as well

I think anything is possible to find, except if they are one-off... but I don't think too many collectors have a complete collection of Japanese Regular CDs and Promo CDs. It the same with the Uruguay LP. I have seen 3 over the last 10 years.

If you have/find FALAA Japanese Promo LP and FALAA Brazil Promo LP, let me know! I am still looking for them.

Drsisters · 17 May 2003, 01:06

sunset yellow wrote:what happened with the "halloween" box you mentioned yesterday,
did you buy it?

Yes, Of course I bought it.
I once turned down a offer for the WEA boxset, will never do the same mistake again

Silence is platinum · 17 May 2003, 07:01

yeah! i think we all have turned down once something and still regret it
a got offer an acetate single called "empire down" never saw it again, a
guy in Belgium is the happy owner now

taylor · 17 May 2003, 11:21

fortunely I had bought both (empire down/body electric) at time
how many others different titles are to know to exist ?

Y · 05 Jun 2003, 23:01

taylor wrote:fortunely I had bought both (empire down/body electric) at time how many others different titles are to know to exist ?

I do have an 'Empire Down 7" Test Pressing... Do you know the story behind the Empire Down demos?

Below is what was told to me. Please note I did not write this text, so when it's written 'I', it means the person who sent me the email...

It was a record plant in Midwestern Germany that was not very happy about the whole matter. You see, the actual plan by Mr. Eldritch was obviously to release a one-off release under a pseudo-name called 'Empire Down'. 700 copies were planned, 400 in black and the rest in white and blue. He passed a Master tape on to a friend of mine who tried to raise an Indie label in Hamburg. It was very difficult to do his edition as it seemed that there was no record plant able to do such a small edition of three different colours. So he contacted me as I did music in these days and knew several plants. I finally could trace one that as willing to do. While they were proceeding EMI seemed to get hold of what was going on and might have told Eldritch that his contract did not allow him to do so.

At the end of the day the project was cancelled but for security reasens we kept one testpressing each plus two copies altogether in light blue which even has got the planned labels. But that was all. My friend had to pay the whole studio costs and the record plant had already printed a big part of the blue version, which they had to destroy.

I have a theory that either some copies survived and were sold as 'Japanese' -the record plant worked for 'TNT' from Luxemburg as well!- or that Andrew Eldritch himself is responsible for it. Anyway, I hardly can believe that there is a release that was released in Japan. As I said two stock copies exist done in light blue that have labels and I wouldn't be so stupid to pass my copy on for such a purpose as it's easy to trace where it's from and I think the same goes for Andrew Eldritch,too [...] Either the copies were stolen and sold as bootlegs or the plant reprinted these themselves and did the job.

Dan · 05 Jun 2003, 23:47

What songs were on this "empire down" single?

Y · 05 Jun 2003, 23:52

It has "Lucretia" and "Flood 1".

Dan · 06 Jun 2003, 00:37

Different versions to the ones on Floodland?

Y · 06 Jun 2003, 00:56

Yes, they are different versions than the album Floodland.

Lucretia is about 2:10
Flood is about 3:30

Dan · 06 Jun 2003, 01:01

Same length as the portastudio demos versions. Is that what they are?

Y · 06 Jun 2003, 01:22

Dan · 06 Jun 2003, 01:35

Ah, that makes sense, as some people believe that Eldritch supplied the recordings for several bootlegs, particularly some of those released by Palazzograssi.

Y · 06 Jun 2003, 18:03

This is what I also heard too, but why would Eldritch want to do that?

Dan · 06 Jun 2003, 19:34

Same reason he goes on tour every few years - he probably needed the money.

Drsisters · 14 Jul 2003, 00:21

A very reliable source told me that Mr Eldritch have been responsible for some high quality bootlegs on both vinyl and cd. some of you should know who the bootlegs are

Dan · 14 Jul 2003, 00:57

Drsisters wrote:A very reliable source told me that Mr Eldritch have been responsible for some high quality bootlegs on both vinyl and cd. some of you should know who the bootlegs are

portastudio demos and floodland demos