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Which would be quite easy if only he had a copy.

I'll await official confirmation ;)
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Do you call Mr Marx "Mark"?

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On occasion, "Michael". ;)
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bismarck wrote:The "James Ray Corrosion Demo" is a myth. After 20 years, it's not surfaced anywhere... it simply does not exist.
I saw the TSOM lists of a certain Belgian more than 10 years ago, in which he claimed to have a stack of James Ray vocal versions amongst many other things....
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deadagain wrote:
bismarck wrote:The "James Ray Corrosion Demo" is a myth. After 20 years, it's not surfaced anywhere... it simply does not exist.
I saw the TSOM lists of a certain Belgian more than 10 years ago, in which he claimed to have a stack of James Ray vocal versions amongst many other things....
paint it black wrote:they don't exist...not even the belgian has the right version...it's all a myth.
(my emphasis)
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markfiend wrote:
deadagain wrote:
bismarck wrote:The "James Ray Corrosion Demo" is a myth. After 20 years, it's not surfaced anywhere... it simply does not exist.
I saw the TSOM lists of a certain Belgian more than 10 years ago, in which he claimed to have a stack of James Ray vocal versions amongst many other things....
paint it black wrote:they don't exist...not even the belgian has the right version...it's all a myth.
(my emphasis)
I cannot believe someone would fib so! :eek: my faith in humanity has been shattered. I shall have to wear black forevermore 8)

Strange that he should tell such a porkie. I'm pretty sure I still have his old lists somewhere, must drag em out and have another look, see what else doesn't exist :innocent:
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markfiend wrote:
deadagain wrote:
bismarck wrote:The "James Ray Corrosion Demo" is a myth. After 20 years, it's not surfaced anywhere... it simply does not exist.
I saw the TSOM lists of a certain Belgian more than 10 years ago, in which he claimed to have a stack of James Ray vocal versions amongst many other things....
paint it black wrote:they don't exist...not even the belgian has the right version...it's all a myth.
(my emphasis)
as mister ray is a regular visitor to our forum, it shouldn't be too difficult to find out if the story were bogus or not
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kazamel wrote: as mister ray is a regular visitor to our forum, it shouldn't be too difficult to find out if the story were bogus or not

so someone pm 'im and let's settle this.






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deadagain wrote:I'm pretty sure I still have his old lists somewhere, must drag em out and have another look, see what else doesn't exist :innocent:
I've seen the good man's collection once with my own eyes and it doesn't get much better that that. In every closet or cupboard you open, there are tons of (really) strange records, cassettes, pictures, posters etc.
Just to say, I would like to have a look at that list you may have somewhere too :oops: :wink: :notworthy:
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markfiend wrote:
deadagain wrote:
bismarck wrote:The "James Ray Corrosion Demo" is a myth. After 20 years, it's not surfaced anywhere... it simply does not exist.
I saw the TSOM lists of a certain Belgian more than 10 years ago, in which he claimed to have a stack of James Ray vocal versions amongst many other things....
paint it black wrote:they don't exist...not even the belgian has the right version...it's all a myth.
(my emphasis)
There's more than one Belgian Sisters collector.
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deadagain wrote:I cannot believe someone would fib so! :eek: my faith in humanity has been shattered. I shall have to wear black forevermore 8)
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Dark wrote:
markfiend wrote:
deadagain wrote: I saw the TSOM lists of a certain Belgian more than 10 years ago, in which he claimed to have a stack of James Ray vocal versions amongst many other things....
paint it black wrote:they don't exist...not even the belgian has the right version...it's all a myth.
(my emphasis)
There's more than one Belgian Sisters collector.
it doesn't matter how many belgian collectors there are. take it from me they won't have the right version. the version the belgian has is well documented, mainly by him, and it isn't that version; that's because that version doesn't exist
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It's still open season on snipes, I see.
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Fair enough. So the only version we know to definitely exist is the one that James Ray himself has, somewhere?
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this is rumour control, here are the facts.... maybe :roll:

I received this info amongst part of a huge list of Sisters items, back in the late 1990s:

-'Hull Fairview Studio July 1986'
The very first This Corrosion demos, made during the writing of the song and meant to be the second Sisterhood single. Engineered by Roy Neave who also did the James Ray first records. Only 1 (!!!) tape is in existing and it comes from a former roommate of James Ray and also includes a by James Ray typed insert paper. Both James Ray and Andrew Pinnell guaranteed me that the tape is genuine and the only existing copy!
this corrosion:1 sung by James Ray
2 sung by James Ray and Andrew Eldritch
3 sung by James Ray
4 duet with Lucas Fox, Andrew Eldritch and James Ray
5 duet with Andrew Eldritch and James Ray
6 sung by Andrew Eldritch
the B-side contains some very rare remixes of 'Mexico Sundown Blues' that are never released and were made on the same date at the same studio!
All 'This Corrosion'-versions are unknown to anybody and in a much heavier style, without female voice. The lyrics are not like the final 'Floodland'-song and most of the 6 demos are unfinished!!
Must be the rarest Sisters-tape ever!


No idea if its true or not, but it all seems abit detailed to be entirely fantastical. (the list also includes dominion porta studio demos & experimental mixes + lucretia acetates, etc).

Question is: IF they are genuine, how do we persuade the owner to weed 'em out? (its the old 'obsessive private collector vs. evangelical music fan' debate yet again!)
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cocoamix wrote:It's still open season on snipes, I see.

So good to have you back, lab monkey. love the avatar...

On topic: it'd be a pretty easy thing for anyone who claims to have the JR TC demos to put this question to rest by trading them out or posting snippets. The fact that, after 20 years, not even a snippet had surfaced to the (shrinking) collectors' community is proof, in my opinion, that there is no such thing as the JR vocal demo...I'd loved to be proved wrong.
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Nice to see you again cocoamix, where ya, uh, bin?
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bismarck wrote:The fact that, after 20 years, not even a snippet had surfaced to the (shrinking) collectors' community is proof, in my opinion, that there is no such thing as the JR vocal demo...I'd loved to be proved wrong.
although i don't have a strong opinion on this, but if the tape resides with only 1 man, it's fairly easy to prevent diffusion. it could even be seen as proof for the story. :wink:
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