Why does it matter?

James Blast · 20 Oct 2006, 17:45

anyone fancy a curry?

smiscandlon · 20 Oct 2006, 17:53

DarkAngel wrote:I find it ironic that Muslim women are being questioned about their veils while some Muslim men are standing on street corners and in Mosques openly making terroristc threats - an irresponsible and illegal choice on their part. Where is the public outrage for that?

What gives you the impression that anyone is "outraged" by Muslim women wearing veils?

And do you honestly think the UK populace just casually accept threats of terrorist violence from Islamic extremists without comment? Have you ever read the f*cking Sun newspaper...?

And James - sounds good, I could murder an Indian.

DarkAngel · 20 Oct 2006, 18:04

smiscandlon wrote:
DarkAngel wrote:I find it ironic that Muslim women are being questioned about their veils while some Muslim men are standing on street corners and in Mosques openly making terroristc threats - an irresponsible and illegal choice on their part. Where is the public outrage for that?
What gives you the impression that anyone is "outraged" by Muslim women wearing veils?

And do you honestly think the UK populace just casually accept threats of terrorist violence from Islamic extremists without comment? Have you ever read the f*cking Sun newspaper...? :roll:

And James - sounds good, I could murder an Indian.

Listen you misogynistic fool, it is her story which is all over the papers and apparently on TV too. Why should she have to defend herself? It is a harmless article of clothing. An intelligent person on Heartland (not you) recently asked why the Muslim community wants to stay separate from everyone else - this veil hoopla could easily alienate the Muslim women - which is not a good idea as they are probably the biggest advocates for reform in this population.

James Blast · 20 Oct 2006, 18:08

Please retitle this topic - What good is this doing?

People are getting mighty hot under the collar on these topics. Are you deliberately setting out to polarize Heartland?

DarkAngel · 20 Oct 2006, 18:18

James Blast wrote:Please retitle this topic - What good is this doing?

People are getting mighty hot under the collar on these topics. Are you deliberately setting out to polarize Heartland?

No James, people will choose to be rude on their own accord. I don't make anyone do or say anything.

Hearts for you James - because of your good-hearted nature.

lazarus corporation · 20 Oct 2006, 18:23

DarkAngel wrote:
smiscandlon wrote:
DarkAngel wrote:I find it ironic that Muslim women are being questioned about their veils while some Muslim men are standing on street corners and in Mosques openly making terroristc threats - an irresponsible and illegal choice on their part. Where is the public outrage for that?
What gives you the impression that anyone is "outraged" by Muslim women wearing veils?

And do you honestly think the UK populace just casually accept threats of terrorist violence from Islamic extremists without comment? Have you ever read the f*cking Sun newspaper...?

And James - sounds good, I could murder an Indian.
Listen you misogynistic fool, it is her story which is all over the papers and apparently on TV too. Why should she have to defend herself? It is a harmless article of clothing. An intelligent person on Heartland (not you) recently asked why the Muslim community wants to stay separate from everyone else - this veil hoopla could easily alienate the Muslim women - which is not a good idea as they are probably the biggest advocates for reform in this population.

She was suspended because she was wearing something which prevented her from doing her job properly and she refused to comply when her employer told her not to wear it. It's got nothing to do with misogyny, religion, or terrorism. It's simply employment law.

nick the stripper · 20 Oct 2006, 18:23

misogynistic fool

STOP TROLLING

weebleswobble · 20 Oct 2006, 18:28

lazarus corporation wrote:
She was suspended because she was wearing something which prevented her from doing her job properly and she refused to comply when her employer told her not to wear it. It's got nothing to do with misogyny, religion, or terrorism. It's simply employment law.

what he said

weebleswobble · 20 Oct 2006, 18:28

nick the stripper wrote:
misogynistic fool
STOP TROLLING

what he said

DarkAngel · 20 Oct 2006, 18:36

How exactly did it prevent her from doing her job?

(you stop trolling!)

lazarus corporation · 20 Oct 2006, 18:38

DarkAngel wrote:How exactly did it prevent her from doing her job?

From the 4th post in this thread:

Motz wrote:Or, if we go for the non-conspiratorial approach and actually report the facts as they are, it might possibly be because they've had complaints that the children's inability to see her mouth means that they can't copy her lip movements which is a tad problematic when you're learning English as a Foreign Language at primary age.

and from http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bradford/6066726.stm

The BBC wrote:Kirklees Council said the decision was taken after a monitoring period in which the impact of wearing the veil on the teaching and learning was studied.

It said: "In this case the school and local authority had to balance the rights of the children to receive the best quality education possible and Mrs Azmi's desire to express her cultural beliefs by wearing a veil in class.

"The education of the children is of paramount importance and it is disappointing that the school was unable to reach a compromise with Mrs Azmi in this case."

mh · 20 Oct 2006, 18:44

Why DO they put peas in curry these days? Isn't that a daft thing to do? Whoever heard of a curry with bloody peas in it anyway?

I'll have a chicken curry, please. Medium-hot, plenty of peppers, light on the onion, no peas.

mh · 20 Oct 2006, 18:46

Planet Dave wrote:Fabulous pic Stephen.

mh, have you not heard their techno-mix of Combine Harvester? It brings the old family favourite right up to date. Ask Claire.

There's a techno mix? Shudder. Bloody world's gone daft.

9while9 · 20 Oct 2006, 18:55

weebleswobble wrote:I promised myself I'd not get involved in any more of these but itnAklipse you are an absolute toolbag

9while9 · 20 Oct 2006, 19:00

James Blast wrote:anyone fancy a curry?

Here you go >

Just the way you like it!

James Blast · 20 Oct 2006, 19:03

mh wrote:Why DO they put peas in curry these days? Isn't that a daft thing to do? Whoever heard of a curry with bloody peas in it anyway?

I'll have a chicken curry, please. Medium-hot, plenty of peppers, light on the onion, no peas.

Amen Brother! and why do all the major supermarkets put peas in their fried rice, I've never dined at a Chinese restaraunt that considered them an essential part of the experience?

DarkAngel · 20 Oct 2006, 19:30

"She said she was happy to remove the veil for children and only insisted on wearing it while in the presence of male colleagues; no child had ever complained about her wearing it."

I still call it s**t - Muslim women deal with enough crap without having to put up Westerners telling them what to wear.

aims · 20 Oct 2006, 19:37

Western men have to deal with enough crap without having Muslim women insinuating that if they see their face the only thing that they'll be able to think of is f**king them. Sounds like gender discrimination and sexual harassment to me.

mh · 20 Oct 2006, 19:40

James Blast wrote:
mh wrote:Why DO they put peas in curry these days? Isn't that a daft thing to do? Whoever heard of a curry with bloody peas in it anyway?

I'll have a chicken curry, please. Medium-hot, plenty of peppers, light on the onion, no peas.
Amen Brother! and why do all the major supermarkets put peas in their fried rice, I've never dined at a Chinese restaraunt that considered them an essential part of the experience?

Now that is bizzarre!

9while9 · 20 Oct 2006, 19:43

Motz wrote:Western men have to deal with enough crap without having Muslim women insinuating that if they see their face the only thing that they'll be able to think of is f**king them. Sounds like gender discrimination and sexual harassment to me.

Maybe you are right, but I am for veils on the UGLY ones.

Oh yeah, and that back up beeping thing that they put on trucks.
I'm also in favor of putting them on fat women so they don't crush small children....

DarkAngel · 20 Oct 2006, 19:43

Motz wrote:Western men have to deal with enough crap without having Muslim women insinuating that if they see their face the only thing that they'll be able to think of is f**king them. Sounds like gender discrimination and sexual harassment to me.

Motz - It's a piece of clothing. If we take away their choices then we can't build a relationship with them. And personally, I believe it is the women who are going to be the biggest moving force in the reform of that religion - especially the Muslim women who live in the west.

DarkAngel · 20 Oct 2006, 19:45

9while9 wrote:
Motz wrote:Western men have to deal with enough crap without having Muslim women insinuating that if they see their face the only thing that they'll be able to think of is f**king them. Sounds like gender discrimination and sexual harassment to me.
Maybe you are right, but I am for veils on the UGLY ones.

Oh yeah, and that back up beeping thing that they put on trucks.
I'm also in favor of putting them on fat women so they don't crush small children....

Try to control yourself 9!

(Now the above is offensive - can you see the difference Lazarus and Weebles??)

weebleswobble · 20 Oct 2006, 19:46

mh wrote:
James Blast wrote:
mh wrote:Why DO they put peas in curry these days? Isn't that a daft thing to do? Whoever heard of a curry with bloody peas in it anyway?

I'll have a chicken curry, please. Medium-hot, plenty of peppers, light on the onion, no peas.
Amen Brother! and why do all the major supermarkets put peas in their fried rice, I've never dined at a Chinese restaraunt that considered them an essential part of the experience?
Now that is bizzarre!

Pea and Ham from a chicken?

lazarus corporation · 20 Oct 2006, 19:48

DarkAngel wrote:"She said she was happy to remove the veil for children and only insisted on wearing it while in the presence of male colleagues; no child had ever complained about her wearing it."

I still call it s**t - Muslim women deal with enough crap without having to put up Westerners telling them what to wear.

She did wear it in the classroom - the school didn't mind her wearing it outside of the classroom:

The BBC wrote:Bilingual support worker Aishah Azmi, 24, was asked to remove the veil after pupils found it hard to understand her during English language lessons.
Headfield Church of England Junior School, in Dewsbury, said she could wear the veil outside the classroom.

(source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bradford/6046992.stm)

Dewsbury MP Shahid Malik wrote:I fully support the decision of the education authority and the school in requesting the classroom assistant remove her veil when teaching primary school children.

(ibid)

And the children did complain:

Kirklees Council's children's services spokesman, Jim Dodds wrote:Both pupils and teachers raised concerns because they were finding it difficult to make out what she was saying during lessons.

(ibid)

aims · 20 Oct 2006, 19:49

A piece of clothing which they only have the "right" to wear because of their religious belief that all men are skirt chasers.

Spin it how you want, if a woman felt the need to wear a veil around me in my place of work, I'd file a complaint, since the act of wearing it is an unfounded and slanderous judgement of character.

Which is all getting off the point that it was stopping her from doing her job. She wouldn't work in a butcher's shop, so why work somewhere where facial expressions are an instrumental part of her job?