Why does it matter?

mh · 21 Oct 2006, 13:24

Dark wrote:
DarkAngel wrote:I think your nasty comments punctuate my point.
There's a difference between hating all women and responding angrily to insults from one woman.

esox · 21 Oct 2006, 15:31

Why oh why does mayonnaise have to be on everything nowadays, anyway?[/quote]

Weird that. I always ask to "hold the mayo" at KFC in Bedford as they're based under a knocking shop...

weebleswobble · 21 Oct 2006, 16:06

esox wrote:Weird that. I always ask to "hold the mayo" at KFC in Bedford as they're based under a knocking shop...

Does it cum out a squeezy tube ?

9while9 · 21 Oct 2006, 18:47

scotty wrote:
James Blast wrote:Steven (smiscandlon) I have met, his misogynistic tendencies never featured. In fact, he seems the complete opposite - a gentle man, in the real sense of those words.

A nice bloke, like most Heartlanders, regular human beans (sic).

Has Amerika annexed HL?

please don't
Like what Blast says, I fail to see how such a statement can be made Dark Angel?, those of us who know smiscandlon know how wrong you are and what an arse of your self you're making, do your self a favour and shut the fcuk up.

boudicca · 21 Oct 2006, 19:11

Oh my f**king god...

DarkAngel wrote:
smiscandlon wrote:
DarkAngel wrote:Listen you misogynistic fool, it is her story which is all over the papers and apparently on TV too. Why should she have to defend herself? It is a harmless article of clothing. An intelligent person on Heartland (not you) recently asked why the Muslim community wants to stay separate from everyone else - this veil hoopla could easily alienate the Muslim women - which is not a good idea as they are probably the biggest advocates for reform in this population.
OK, I'll bite.

What the fuck leads you to form the opinion that I am a misogynist?

I'm not perfect, but I honestly find it difficult to think of a single woman in my life who I've treated with anything but respect.

But you are something else entirely. The biggest f**king waste of time and energy who has ever logged onto this fine site. I've given the benefit of the doubt for a long time, but you really are a f**king piece of work aren't you?
I think your nasty comments punctuate my point.

But then again, maybe not. To be fair, I hear that I hurt your feelings (something I don't enjoy doing to anyone). Perhaps you will consider I found your earlier responses (and this one too) hurtful as well.

As a gesture of friendship (this certainly doesn't mean you and I will agree on everything or even anything) I have healing hearts for you Tom Bosley....

DarkAngel, you and I have crossed paths previously and I did not want it to happen again, but I feel I have to speak here.

Your comments to Stephen are absolutely beyond the pale. I read and re-read his first post on this topic, the one which lead you to call him a "misogynistic fool", and there is nothing which warranted or deserved your taking any kind of offence, personal or otherwise. He simply expressed an opinion, which by the standards of these threads was fairly mild and innocuous. Nothing was directed at you, not even in a (pardon the pun) "veiled" way.
And even if you did find what he said to be somehow offensive to you, to react in that way is just not on.

I know Steven well, and I can categorically state that he's one of the least misogynistic men I know. I have never heard him make a comment or behave in a way which was sexist - even jokingly, which is more than can be said for most men. In addition, he has been a genuine and considerate friend to me through some hellish times - and other HLanders can vouch for the fact that he is a gentle, kind and intelligent person.

Your comments to me were one thing. But your post to Steven was nothing short of obscene, and listening to you even attempt to defend such an attack is quite unbelievable.

Please stop this kind of antagonistic behaviour, DarkAngel. This community means more than you could imagine to a lot of us.

DarkAngel · 21 Oct 2006, 19:20

O.K.
Bye then.

Dark · 21 Oct 2006, 19:29

Laters.

Drink, anyone?

nick the stripper · 21 Oct 2006, 19:50

Dark wrote:Drink, anyone?

emilystrange · 21 Oct 2006, 21:51

teacher spot..

no way someone wearing something over their face can teach effectively. you need to show expressions, and let children see how you say words, etc. not in my classroom, cos it just wouldn't work. don;t care what religion/sex/culture whatever. don't mess with the kid's education.

itnAklipse · 21 Oct 2006, 22:30

Yeah, arabs have never learned anything nor can they communicate with each other cause of those damned veils. Nor can men and women have meaningful interaction in their culture at all. No way. My goodness.

The things i have to read in my old age.

"Don't mess with the kid's education." Pfft. Get a life. i'm sure all those innocent little children who have now been subjected to the inhumanity that is the bloody arab veil now need to take all the classes they've taken under female arab teachers again and perhaps it's also good to get them psychiatric counselling.

One of these days...i learn to steer away from any general topic public forums cause the things you have to read from there are sometimes truly enlightened.

i'm sorry if i offend, but are you a teacher? Because ... i think a teacher needs a broad mind, also a teacher should really be well-read and thoughtful in order to communicate to the innocent little fragile impressionable minds instead of being on the level of a "housewife" spouting tasteless and flat remarks and taglines and cliches.

smiscandlon · 21 Oct 2006, 22:35

This topic is really bringing out the best in people isn't it?

aims · 21 Oct 2006, 23:25

itnAklipse wrote:Yeah, arabs have never learned anything nor can they communicate with each other cause of those damned veils. Nor can men and women have meaningful interaction in their culture at all. No way. My goodness.

The things i have to read in my old age.

"Don't mess with the kid's education." Pfft. Get a life. i'm sure all those innocent little children who have now been subjected to the inhumanity that is the bloody arab veil now need to take all the classes they've taken under female arab teachers again and perhaps it's also good to get them psychiatric counselling.

One of these days...i learn to steer away from any general topic public forums cause the things you have to read from there are sometimes truly enlightened.

i'm sorry if i offend, but are you a teacher? Because ... i think a teacher needs a broad mind, also a teacher should really be well-read and thoughtful in order to communicate to the innocent little fragile impressionable minds instead of being on the level of a "housewife" spouting tasteless and flat remarks and taglines and cliches.

I'm sorry, was there a logical refutal of anything in there?

Yeah, arabs have never learned anything nor can they communicate with each other cause of those damned veils.

They're speaking a different language
They're growing up into a society where veils are the majority, thus making it a potentially useful skill
Women didn't start wearing veils until long after Mohammed's time
Given the gender roles imposed by aforementioned religion, it wouldn't surprise me if women weren't even allowed to teach under various circumstances

Nor can men and women have meaningful interaction in their culture at all. No way. My goodness.

No-one's even suggested this. However...
With a culture based on male dominance, no, they probably can't
The men and women of said culture are naturalised into it. This is not so in England. Inability to recognise non-verbal communication is a recognised autistic spectrum impediment for the very reason that our society relies heavily on such expressions for communcation

"Don't mess with the kid's education." Pfft. Get a life. i'm sure all those innocent little children who have now been subjected to the inhumanity that is the bloody arab veil now need to take all the classes they've taken under female arab teachers again and perhaps it's also good to get them psychiatric counselling.

9/11 was tiny compared to the holocaust. That doesn't mean it didn't have a severely detrimental effect
Why does her right to wear a veil trump their right to an honest and open interaction?

i'm sorry if i offend, but are you a teacher? Because ... i think a teacher needs a broad mind, also a teacher should really be well-read and thoughtful in order to communicate to the innocent little fragile impressionable minds instead of being on the level of a "housewife" spouting tasteless and flat remarks and taglines and cliches.

A broad mind cuts two ways
A broad mind realises that one can read the same source and form differing opinions from another
Your statement relies on emily's remarks being any of the above. I certainly didn't find them to be so and you've presented no explanation as to why they would be, thus invalidating said statement prior to further clarification

That took far too much effort. Next time I might just stick with a short, sharp "f**k off"

sultan2075 · 22 Oct 2006, 00:46

Motz, take your calm and reasoned reply and get out of here. Either that or re-write it chock-full of insults. This is Heartland for Pete's sake!

Izzy HaveMercy · 22 Oct 2006, 01:00

When I went to school, it was forbidden to wear caps in the classroom. It was considered rude to wear it. It was in the school regulations and we had to live the law to feel the wrath.

Nowadays, things would be much easier. When a teacher makes a remark about me wearing my baseball cap in the classroom, I would just say he's a discriminating sonnovabeatch, desecrating the Church of St Nike in the process, and I would be allowed to appeal to higher court and even drag the European Parliament into the discussion.

Sound ridiculous? Read that article again.

Anyway, kinda dubious, stating that it "was clear this was an act of discrimination", according to the woman, while the niqab is in itself a symbol of discrimination.

Try integration by just following some simple rules. The West DOES TRY. Be welcome, but please do the same and start trying too. End of rant.

IZ.

22 Oct 2006, 01:29

You do realise by replying to this topic in the first place you all did exactly as she wanted and got dragged into a petty little war of words.
Pathetic.

boudicca · 22 Oct 2006, 01:35

Hom_Corleone wrote:You do realise by replying to this topic in the first place you all did exactly as she wanted and got dragged into a petty little war of words.
Pathetic.

Bit of irony there, no?

22 Oct 2006, 01:36

boudicca wrote:
Hom_Corleone wrote:You do realise by replying to this topic in the first place you all did exactly as she wanted and got dragged into a petty little war of words.
Pathetic.
Bit of irony there, no?

Indeed.

I just stopped short at actually commenting on the subject matter.

weebleswobble · 22 Oct 2006, 10:28

I'm sure I've said this before but itnAklipse you are a toobag

Izzy HaveMercy · 22 Oct 2006, 11:04

Hom_Corleone wrote:
boudicca wrote:
Hom_Corleone wrote:You do realise by replying to this topic in the first place you all did exactly as she wanted and got dragged into a petty little war of words.
Pathetic.
Bit of irony there, no?
Indeed.
I just stopped short at actually commenting on the subject matter.

It was late.
I just repaired a major computer crash.
I was pissed off.
Then I make the mistake to be dragged into yet another political thread by our dear DarkAngel.

Know what? Why not make a new section between 'general chat' and 'sisters chat' called 'political, social and economical discussions'? Then it is very clear: you only have to go there when you are sober, and even when you're pissed and stoned like a monkey, it is more visible on the forum and you can steer clear of it.

IZ.

Debaser · 22 Oct 2006, 12:04

Izzy HaveMercy wrote:
Know what? Why not make a new section between 'general chat' and 'sisters chat' called 'political, social and economical discussions'? Then it is very clear: you only have to go there when you are sober, and even when you're pissed and stoned like a monkey, it is more visible on the forum and you can steer clear of it.

IZ.

It works relatively well in 'the other place' It can only be viewed by logged on members too which is handy. It still gets pretty darned 'hot' in there though.

Izzy HaveMercy · 22 Oct 2006, 12:16

Debaser wrote:
Izzy HaveMercy wrote:
Know what? Why not make a new section between 'general chat' and 'sisters chat' called 'political, social and economical discussions'? Then it is very clear: you only have to go there when you are sober, and even when you're pissed and stoned like a monkey, it is more visible on the forum and you can steer clear of it.

IZ.
It works relatively well in 'the other place' It can only be viewed by logged on members too which is handy. It still gets pretty darned 'hot' in there though.

No probs with 'hot', but it keeps General Chat free from sensible postings.

IZ.

eotunun · 22 Oct 2006, 12:38

Izzy HaveMercy wrote:
Debaser wrote:
Izzy HaveMercy wrote:
Know what? Why not make a new section between 'general chat' and 'sisters chat' called 'political, social and economical discussions'? Then it is very clear: you only have to go there when you are sober, and even when you're pissed and stoned like a monkey, it is more visible on the forum and you can steer clear of it.

IZ.
It works relatively well in 'the other place' It can only be viewed by logged on members too which is handy. It still gets pretty darned 'hot' in there though.
No probs with 'hot', but it keeps General Chat free from sensible postings.

IZ.

I promise to improve my manners

emilystrange · 22 Oct 2006, 13:52

itnAklipse wrote: i'm sorry if i offend, but are you a teacher? Because ... i think a teacher needs a broad mind, also a teacher should really be well-read and thoughtful in order to communicate to the innocent little fragile impressionable minds instead of being on the level of a "housewife" spouting tasteless and flat remarks and taglines and cliches.

yes i am a f*cking teacher trying to do the best for my kids. don't EVER dispute that with me, f*ckwit, because you have NO idea what it's like teaching kids to read and write, how to understand texts, how to impart any kind of enthusiasm, sense of fun... I can control my class with the expression on my face or the lift of an eyebrow. not raise my voice.

you need to be able to see someone's face, to learn from them, ESPECIALLY at the age i teach.

scotty · 22 Oct 2006, 14:02

emilystrange wrote: I can control my class with the expression on my face or the lift of an eyebrow. not raise my voice.

And a room full of HEARTLAND Men

emilystrange · 22 Oct 2006, 14:04

pffft, that's a piece of cake