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By which I mean Floodland.

Now the 3 are equally represented 8)
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Never Land (full length) - doesn't have the production or extra atmos. of (a fragment), am I disappointed? Well yes but it's still better than most, or am I on 'any scraps from the master's table' mode?
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James Blast wrote:Never Land (full length) - doesn't have the production or extra atmos. of (a fragment), am I disappointed? Well yes but it's still better than most, or am I on 'any scraps from the master's table' mode?
James,

What was your impressio with the original version when you first listened to it? Did it grow on you? Might this one over time?
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Petseri wrote:
James Blast wrote:Never Land (full length) - doesn't have the production or extra atmos. of (a fragment), am I disappointed? Well yes but it's still better than most, or am I on 'any scraps from the master's table' mode?
James,

What was your impressio with the original version when you first listened to it? Did it grow on you? Might this one over time?
Martin, do you not ken me by now? I fell in love with it, I still fancy it.
Never Land (a fragment) is my most very favourite tune, Ever!
The non fragment just doesn't have the production. :|

ne'er mind, maybe ther'll be 20 min You could be the One in the vaults ;D
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James Blast wrote:
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James Blast wrote:Never Land (full length) - doesn't have the production or extra atmos. of (a fragment), am I disappointed? Well yes but it's still better than most, or am I on 'any scraps from the master's table' mode?
James,

What was your impressio with the original version when you first listened to it? Did it grow on you? Might this one over time?
Martin, do you not ken me by now? I fell in love with it, I still fancy it.
Never Land (a fragment) is my most very favourite tune, Ever!
The non fragment just doesn't have the production. :|
I am just trying to keep you optimist, my friend. I will ask you again in a few months to see if it has grown on you, even if it does not surpass the original.
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I already 'enjoy' it, it just doesn't have that... Ooomph! that a frag has, why so cheap Mr.E?
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James Blast wrote:I already 'enjoy' it, it just doesn't have that... Ooomph! that a frag has, why so cheap Mr.E?
James, I seriously doubt that Andrew had anything to do with these reissues.
I don't necessarily agree with everything I think.
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James Blast wrote:I already 'enjoy' it, it just doesn't have that... Ooomph! that a frag has, why so cheap Mr.E?
James, I seriously doubt that Andrew had anything to do with these reissues.
Then why the feck doesn't he release a remastered version of his own ?! :roll:

Because he doesn't own the rights anymore, I know. :(
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Badlander wrote:
Syberberg wrote:
James Blast wrote:I already 'enjoy' it, it just doesn't have that... Ooomph! that a frag has, why so cheap Mr.E?
James, I seriously doubt that Andrew had anything to do with these reissues.
Then why the feck doesn't he release a remastered version of his own ?! :roll:

Because he doesn't own the rights anymore, I know. :(
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*drumsolo reaches peak*

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Titel der Werkfassung: NEVER LAND
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A FRAGMENT Sonstiger Titel
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My copy of Floodland is missing some of the liner notes! Does everyone else's notes also drop off mid sentence or am I sitting on an E-Bay goldmine? :lol:
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streamline wrote:My copy of Floodland is missing some of the liner notes! Does everyone else's notes also drop off mid sentence or am I sitting on an E-Bay goldmine? :lol:
Waner Bros. screws up again? Why am I not surprised at their total lack of quality control?
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James Blast wrote:I already 'enjoy' it, it just doesn't have that... Ooomph! that a frag has, why so cheap Mr.E?
As said elsewhere, Mr E has zero to do with these re-issues. Also, remember what the man said:
Andrew Eldritch wrote: There is no other version of 'Never Land' (apart from demo versions and "full" versions edited together by bootleg merchants).
If the "full" Never Land *had* been properly produced etc. I would have been extremely disappointed with Von for lying to us. As it stands, it sounds like the 12-minute version is indeed a "demo".
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So what AE said was at best a slightly misleading implication that anything aside from the final recording/mix is a "demo" and at worst an outright lie.
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My "why so cheap Mr. E" refers to the fact he had this 12 min. epic, nay masterpiece, why did he stall at the 3 min. mark?
Nothing to do with WEA finally liberating the glory that it stands at.
I love this recently freed version, but it lacks the production of (a fragment) - a spot of echo and those keyboard tinklings wouldn't have gone amiss. Aren't the restored lyrics a wonder in themself tho? :D

Scraps from the Master's table... :|
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Now we all know how much of a perfectionist he is/was (Vision Thing, how many takes again?), so considering that, if he figured a fragment was better than the full 11 minutes back in the days, it wouldn't have been without reason, and I presume that'd still stand for him.

Just enjoy it, don't complain is what I'd say 8) Not to mention a bit of extra lyrics :D :notworthy:
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canon docre wrote: Badlander, I expect better from you by now. :twisted:
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James Blast wrote:My "why so cheap Mr. E" refers to the fact he had this 12 min. epic, nay masterpiece, why did he stall at the 3 min. mark?
Nothing to do with WEA finally liberating the glory that it stands at.
I love this recently freed version, but it lacks the production of (a fragment) - a spot of echo and those keyboard tinklings wouldn't have gone amiss. Aren't the restored lyrics a wonder in themself tho? :D

Scraps from the Master's table... :|
I will be patient and wait for these but without even listening to it I know that the MasterBlaster speaks the truth. 8)
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James Blast wrote:My "why so cheap Mr. E" refers to the fact he had this 12 min. epic, nay masterpiece, why did he stall at the 3 min. mark?
Well, what would have had to be left off Floodland to make room for it?
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It might have been down to how much could be fitted onto a side of a record? How much can fit on one side of a 33 1/3 RPM piece of vinyl?
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But then he wouldn't have said there was nothing but demos :?:
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This Corrossion coulda done with the 7" version - it came, it punched us in the face, it left
everything else was frippery
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I'll have to listen to the demo version afore I make up my mind. But hearing the 3 minute version makes me want to listen to the whole album again, so in that respect it works :wink: :D
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weebleswobble wrote:
James Blast wrote:I love this recently freed version, but it lacks the production of (a fragment) - a spot of echo and those keyboard tinklings wouldn't have gone amiss. Aren't the restored lyrics a wonder in themself tho? :D
I will be patient and wait for these but without even listening to it I know that the MasterBlaster speaks the truth. 8)
Already discussed this with him. :) Personal tastes I suppose but this version blows me away. :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: I love the extra lyrics and I can now fit the song into the story behind it. Despite knowing the story, I hadn't noticed the relevance of the title but I can be a bit thick sometimes. :oops: It's a rougher mix than 'a fragment' but it's far more complete sounding than the Floodland demos. And James didn't notice that the keyboard tinklings actually do come in towards the end, as well as some cymbals that I rather like. Definitely one to put on repeat..... WAHOO. :D :D :D
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