Whatever. I downloaded a few Manowar mp3s, one of which was Rhapsody's "Emerald Sword" mislabeled as a Manowar song.
I ended up buying two LPs (second-hand, is THAT stealing profit from the labels too?) and two new Rhapsody CDs.
Downloading illegal mp3s made me pay nearly £40 on official material. Complain as much as you want, if it wasn't for downloading, all parties involved would have been worse off.
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Is paying for music to download a grey area? I use a russian website that charges around $0.10 (5p) for songs - they *say* it's legal and they have all the rights and stuff, but it does smell a little fishy. On the upside, they do have 18 (eighteen?!) Sissies boots, all around $2 a piece. We like...
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I think this is a specific of the general case I was speaking of before.Dark wrote:Downloading illegal mp3s made me pay nearly £40 on official material. Complain as much as you want, if it wasn't for downloading, all parties involved would have been worse off.
I'm certainly buying more music now than I was when I couldn't download freebies.
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Yes, I believe the RIAA or some similar crowd tried to clamp down on the whole 2nd hand market a few years back.Badlander wrote:I guess so. That's the beauty of it.Dark wrote: (second-hand, is THAT stealing profit from the labels too?)
The real thing is that music is not sold, it's licensed to a single person for private use.
Now, a very expensive lawyer with the glint of gold (or $$$ signs) in his/her eyes could have an absolute field day with that.
The crux of the whole matter is that the term "entertainment business" has one key word in it. Hint: it's not "entertainment".
That's bloody capitalism for ya though.
If I told them once, I told them a hundred times to put 'Spinal Tap' first and 'Puppet Show' last.
Buying Manowar & Rhapsody albums is always a crime...Dark wrote:Whatever. I downloaded a few Manowar mp3s, one of which was Rhapsody's "Emerald Sword" mislabeled as a Manowar song.
I ended up buying two LPs (second-hand, is THAT stealing profit from the labels too?) and two new Rhapsody CDs.
Downloading illegal mp3s made me pay nearly £40 on official material. Complain as much as you want, if it wasn't for downloading, all parties involved would have been worse off.
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This is true.Nic wrote:Buying Manowar & Rhapsody albums is always a crime...
wha the feck ur Rhapsody?
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Hmmm.
I'm tempted to develop an MP3 swapping client to get around this. Don't like a [non-DRM'd] file you bought? Let the program encrypt, delete the original and send the file to someone else in exchange for one of their files or a 'Credit' (i.e. 1pt / file, exchangeable for another file later on). Perfectly legal since there's no way the RIAA can present it as being designed for illegal sharing - it's quite easy to get past, but it provides a mechanism clearly designed for clean conscience use with files you own =)
I'm tempted to develop an MP3 swapping client to get around this. Don't like a [non-DRM'd] file you bought? Let the program encrypt, delete the original and send the file to someone else in exchange for one of their files or a 'Credit' (i.e. 1pt / file, exchangeable for another file later on). Perfectly legal since there's no way the RIAA can present it as being designed for illegal sharing - it's quite easy to get past, but it provides a mechanism clearly designed for clean conscience use with files you own =)
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Feck Me!
I gave it 1 minute.
Heinous, bogus, tripe, crap, monkey spunk, arse feta...
need I go on?
I gave it 1 minute.
Heinous, bogus, tripe, crap, monkey spunk, arse feta...
need I go on?
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That really is truly dreadful - Michael Bolton's hair meets the worst of Bruce Dickinson's balladeering excesses, mates with the camerawork of the spotty youths from the local tech's outreach to the cranially challenged, and gives birth to something that The Scorpions left on the cutting room floor circa 1985.
I was hoping to find that they were from some poor benighted former soviet backwater of Eastern Europe, which would have offered some excuse for their behaviour, but these people are from ITALY, which somehow makes it all the more galling.
*Edit* And around 3 minutes in one of these poncey buggers is upstage right air-humping a mic stand! If this isn't enough reason to leave the Yurpeen Yoonion...
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That really is truly dreadful - Michael Bolton's hair meets the worst of Bruce Dickinson's balladeering excesses, mates with the camerawork of the spotty youths from the local tech's outreach to the cranially challenged, and gives birth to something that The Scorpions left on the cutting room floor circa 1985.
I was hoping to find that they were from some poor benighted former soviet backwater of Eastern Europe, which would have offered some excuse for their behaviour, but these people are from ITALY, which somehow makes it all the more galling.
*Edit* And around 3 minutes in one of these poncey buggers is upstage right air-humping a mic stand! If this isn't enough reason to leave the Yurpeen Yoonion...
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It is stealing. Its equivalent to an artist producing a print of one of their paintings and selling it. If you steal one of those, it has no (or neglible) cost in terms of replacing it - you either churn out another CD or in this case produce another print. It is still denying someone the worth of their creative talents though.I deny that downloading music illegaly is morally equivalent to stealing.
If you have an apple, then I steal it from you, you no longer have the apple.
If you have some music, then I make a digital copy, you still have the music.
I exempt from this bootlegs (provided this doesn't prevent you buying live music from the artist in question - an issue the Grateful Dead have battled with recently) and material its impossible to purchase.
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Yeah, OK, we've been over this earlier in the thread. I'll retract. It is stealing if you download music if all of the following apply 
- You don't already own it on another format.
- You intend to keep it.
- You don't intend to buy it legitimately.
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If you ask me I don't think any of those are reasons enough, but I am something of a purist in these matters.You don't already own it on another format.
You intend to keep it.
You don't intend to buy it legitimately.
The only copyright material I've downloaded (by any artist) was 'Gift' which is unobtainable and 'You Could Be The One' - which was. I feel guilty about the latter now and may have to buy the CD ...
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Well, fair enough, but I don't see a practical difference between
Similarly, (for instance) I recently downloaded the mp3s for an album, liked it, then went out and bought the album. However, the mp3s I downloaded are still on my iPod. Should I delete them and then rip them again from my own copy of the CD? I don't see the point.
Your milage may (and obviously does) vary.
- digitising a song from a vinyl record I own and putting the mp3 on my iPod and
- illegally downloading the mp3 of that song
Similarly, (for instance) I recently downloaded the mp3s for an album, liked it, then went out and bought the album. However, the mp3s I downloaded are still on my iPod. Should I delete them and then rip them again from my own copy of the CD? I don't see the point.
Your milage may (and obviously does) vary.
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Personally I can't be arsed with downloading, burning and writing labels on downloaded stuff. It's worth a tenner to save me the time.
And I actually collect bootlegged Sisters stuff (with packaging that is). Not so much the really dodgy pic from the internet and CDR ones, but those that have had a bt of effort put in - sometimes they're as nice as 'real' releases.
And I actually collect bootlegged Sisters stuff (with packaging that is). Not so much the really dodgy pic from the internet and CDR ones, but those that have had a bt of effort put in - sometimes they're as nice as 'real' releases.
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Good man.Jim wrote:Personally I can't be arsed with downloading, burning and writing labels on downloaded stuff. It's worth a tenner to save me the time.
And I actually collect bootlegged Sisters stuff (with packaging that is). Not so much the really dodgy pic from the internet and CDR ones, but those that have had a bt of effort put in - sometimes they're as nice as 'real' releases.
I considered putting a whole amount of MY 'genuine bootlegs' on eBay, but I will first post the list to you then
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Please do kind Sir.Izzy HaveMercy wrote:Good man.Jim wrote:Personally I can't be arsed with downloading, burning and writing labels on downloaded stuff. It's worth a tenner to save me the time.
And I actually collect bootlegged Sisters stuff (with packaging that is). Not so much the really dodgy pic from the internet and CDR ones, but those that have had a bt of effort put in - sometimes they're as nice as 'real' releases.
I considered putting a whole amount of MY 'genuine bootlegs' on eBay, but I will first post the list to you then
First picks for the HL crew!
IZ.
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