"While we're waiting for the next one to arrive!"

robertzombie · 26 Nov 2006, 17:06

Here it is! The new and improved Crash And Burn from The Mumbles
ENJOY!

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?a ... 152333A121

DocSommer · 26 Nov 2006, 18:29

Nice instrumentals but the vocals..... sounds very clippy and hummy. Try a bit less gain and, if the voice becomes louder, more distance to the mic.

robertzombie · 26 Nov 2006, 18:31

What do you mean? It sounds fine to us...

DocSommer · 26 Nov 2006, 18:51

The vocals sounds overdrived, like there was too much gain on the mic.

The other thing is a well known problem for most dynamic microphones. If you sing very close into the mic, you get much more bass presence - nice on a quiet voice (like in ballads) but if you sing louder/raise your voice you have to avoid hum and pop sounds by increase the distance to the mic

Izzy HaveMercy · 26 Nov 2006, 19:04

Listening to the Mumble Crash and Burn now, it's way better than before

All keys and piano in sync (apart from the piano bit at the end from 4:20 till 4:40ish), sounding great!

But I have to agree with DocSommer for the vocals. They are a bit overdrived, but also the drums are a bit too loud and clipping, I think...

Apart from those little things, the overall mix is rather good, only when you use that extra delays on the vocals, then the vocals are a bit too loud.

Just some advice of course, it sounds good for the rest AND it remains a surprising cover version

IZ.

robertzombie · 26 Nov 2006, 19:27

I've still got all the individual .wav files so I'll have a tinker.

robertzombie · 27 Nov 2006, 17:55

OK, I turned the drums down, turned the vocals down to reduce the distortion on the "hum of the power lines..." bit, done "click-pop removal" and "clip restoration" (adobe audition).

I think this one sounds better

uploading atm

Izzy HaveMercy · 27 Nov 2006, 18:31

robertzombie wrote:OK, I turned the drums down, turned the vocals down to reduce the distortion on the "hum of the power lines..." bit, done "click-pop removal" and "clip restoration" (adobe audition).

I think this one sounds better

uploading atm

Gonna have a listen to the new one when ULed then...

Now, you HAVE the separate WAVs you said eh?

IZ.

robertzombie · 27 Nov 2006, 18:39

here it is: http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?a ... 5668182021

yes, I have all the wav's for the first one posted above and this updated one.

so anything you need I have

Izzy HaveMercy · 27 Nov 2006, 19:32

robertzombie wrote:here it is: http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?a ... 5668182021

yes, I have all the wav's for the first one posted above and this updated one.

so anything you need I have

I still hear those annoying crunchy bits, and it's in the drums I fear... And the vocals could do with a bit of enhancing (low cuts, boost hi freq, well... some average vocal brightening).

If you are willing to give it out of your hands for a second (I understand if you don't want to fear not

), AND if it is not more than 100 MB to YouSendIt, I'll gladly give it a go to mix (I mean 'enhance the sound', because the mixing in general (volume and balance-wise) is good

)

Cheers!

IZ.

mh · 27 Nov 2006, 19:42

Aye, I think the clipping in the drums is from the original recording, I'm afraid

They come nowhere peaking on the MP3, anyway.

robertzombie · 27 Nov 2006, 19:45

I'll up' the .wav then

AhrÃ¡yeph · 27 Nov 2006, 19:47

Less than a 100MB? Doubtful, IZ. Depends on how many tracks it was recorded and in what format. But I agree it needs sound enhancement in the areas you pointed out; so if you would lend these fellas a hand they'll have a much better sound for it. I just hope the slight distortion on the drums isn't in the source file. The proximity effect on the vocals makes them muffled; I even heard some popping noise here and there. Aren't we the meticulous bunch...

robertzombie · 27 Nov 2006, 19:52

The .wav file is 50,000 KBs

(you do mean the entire song as a .wav file, and not all the individual instrumental bits, right?)

James Blast · 27 Nov 2006, 19:57

Stay tuned for our next exiting episode when Iz says: Indeed

robertzombie · 27 Nov 2006, 20:23

The Mumbles - Crash And Burn (Updated, WAV)

if anyone wants a go, feel free

AhrÃ¡yeph · 27 Nov 2006, 20:32

Indeed, Brother Blast

. @ Robertzombie : IZ needs all the separate .wav files in order to perform his aural surgery. You can't separate the drums and the vocals in a stereo file. To quote Mr. Spock : that defies logic (and for the Logic users around here : yeah, that too

). By the way, 50,000KBs is 50MB. So if there are more than two stereo files of that length in your project - and I assume there are - then you won't be able to upload the entire project in one go. You'd be better off putting all the .wav files on CD- R and send them to IZ by snail mail...

robertzombie · 27 Nov 2006, 20:33

it shall be done

... (the snail mail bit)

Izzy HaveMercy · 27 Nov 2006, 20:53

AhrÃ¡yeph wrote:Indeed, Brother Blast . @ Robertzombie : IZ needs all the separate .wav files in order to perform his aural surgery. You can't separate the drums and the vocals in a stereo file. To quote Mr. Spock : that defies logic (and for the Logic users around here : yeah, that too ). By the way, 50,000KBs is 50MB. So if there are more than two stereo files of that length in your project - and I assume there are - then you won't be able to upload the entire project in one go. You'd be better off putting all the .wav files on CD- R and send them to IZ by snail mail...

In effing DEED

Yes, sorry for that small misunderstanding there... I have been working with a lot of MIDI stuff of late, so I have people that can send me 48 tracks with YouSendIt, for the simple Reason (nice proggie, BTW) that a MIDI file is not as big as a WAV file

I need the separate files, yes. If you have 12 tracks, that should make at about 600 MB, which is a bit too much to send via the Webbie... I received Roberts PM already and the CDR is on its way to the Fair Country....

Now, to defy Mr.Spock and his sorry attempt at Vulcan logic: you COULD separate drums and vocals in a stereo WAV file of course... if the song consisted ONLY of vocals and drums, you could pan the vox L and the drums R, then use a Left/right-to-Stereo plugin and rip the track apart

Tssss...geekiness rules!

IZ.

mh · 27 Nov 2006, 20:53

Better yet, maybe upload a short sample of the drums WAV and we can see if a remix is in order in the first place.

Assuming they're electronic drums, it should be easy enough to just re-record them if need be. It would be a shame if this didn't work out right cos it's definitely one of the most interesting and original Sisters cover versions of all time.

Izzy HaveMercy · 27 Nov 2006, 20:59

mh wrote:Better yet, maybe upload a short sample of the drums WAV and we can see if a remix is in order in the first place.

Assuming they're electronic drums, it should be easy enough to just re-record them if need be. It would be a shame if this didn't work out right cos it's definitely one of the most interesting and original Sisters cover versions of all time.

Not a bad thought sir! But I'd like a stab at the vocals as well, and I'm going to give the end-piano a snip and a nudge in the right direction

So I need the whole bunch.

Then again, maybe the drums were a bit overdone in mixing. If Robert posts a snippet of the source-drums, we can hear it indeed. Provided it is easy to find in that proggie he uses, I know in Cubase/Nuendo it is easy enuff...

IZ.

Dark · 27 Nov 2006, 21:17

Not so much a "remix" as a "vs"

Izzy HaveMercy · 27 Nov 2006, 21:21

Dark wrote:Not so much a "remix" as a "vs"

We should do a Battle then

IZ.

robertzombie · 27 Nov 2006, 21:25

Rerecording the drums would be a bit of a task...

I'll post a drum sample in a bit

Dark · 27 Nov 2006, 21:35

Izzy HaveMercy wrote:
Dark wrote:Not so much a "remix" as a "vs"
We should do a Battle then

IZ.

Heh, I'd kick your ass, and have the sampled crowd cheering for me.