It's A Godawful Small Affair...

[mh]

One step closer!

http://www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=a&id=4747

[Obviousman]

Let's hope they're not spending billions because there's a little bit dirt on their camera's lense

[MadameButterfly]

One step closer!

And 10 years to wait with regards to research as stated on the dutch telly yesterday!

Today's news however was very interesting as our Ebola virus has hit Africa once again and this time starting at the gorillas. If it is Ebola then this will be the third documented threat to mankind and if it gets airborne who knows which population it will hit. That small little virus that goes dormant then peeks up again will again take lives as we know them. Wonder how many villages and countries it will hit this time. If no mercy within a virus this is it, ebola.

Anyone want to go to Mars? I'll go check if that ice found is drinkable...

[scotty]

What a lot of auld pish!, they're having us on, anyone can see that's a close up of a pineapple ring, there's hee haw to worry about!!

[spot778]

Except it isn't water !

This a very curious piece of PR whilst most people agree is there is water on Mars it would have to be contained under the surface as the temperature on Mars is -266°F to -62°F.

Ain't no water flowing in that, some speculation is that water comes to the surface like a geyser. There are however massive dust devils all around Mars which might explain the recent photos and how the Landers are "cleaned" of dust.

Anytime you hear water and NASA together it means one thing ...

MONEY !!

More funding for future missions.

[more-sedatives-pls]

One step closer!

Today's news however was very interesting as our Ebola virus has hit Africa once again and this time starting at the gorillas. If it is Ebola then this will be the third documented threat to mankind and if it gets airborne who knows which population it will hit. That small little virus that goes dormant then peeks up again will again take lives as we know them. Wonder how many villages and countries it will hit this time. If no mercy within a virus this is it, ebola.

whoa, now THAT's interesting... can't find it on the web though (NOSnieuws etc)... got a site for me?

Mars... indeed, scientifically and philosophically interesting, but better clean this place up first instead of goin' about looking for a following garbage heap (and spending all that money that coul've been used right here to help us and other animals asap).

[spot778]

From NYT

ecember 8, 2006
Ebola Imperils Gorilla Species in Congo Republic
By DENISE GRADY

The Ebola virus killed 3,500 to 5,500 gorillas in one region of the Congo Republic from 2002 to 2005, and its continued spread, along with hunting, could wipe out the species, researchers are reporting today.

“A lot of animals are dying,� said Dr. Peter D. Walsh, an ecologist at the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Primatology in Leipzig, Germany, and an author of a report being published today in the journal Science. “There’s a massive decline.�

Several Ebola vaccines have been developed that work in animals in the lab, including monkeys, and Dr. Walsh is eager to test them on gorillas in the wild, by injecting the animals with darts or putting an oral vaccine in food. By tracking the spread of the virus and vaccinating animals in its path, it may be possible to stop outbreaks, he said.

Other researchers say that although vaccination might be feasible, it is not known whether the vaccine could be made into a heat-stable version or an oral form. In addition, there would be miles of red tape to cut through, involving conservation groups, donors and governments.

Dr. Stuart Nichol, chief of molecular biology in the special pathogens branch of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said: “It’s really going to be a nightmare to try to press forward with some kind of vaccine approach. On the other hand, it doesn’t feel good to sit back and do nothing. But in reality it’s going to be exceedingly difficult to do anything.�

The authors of the report have been studying western gorillas — a species distinct from eastern gorillas — since 1995 in the Lossi Sanctuary in the northwestern Congo Republic, near Gabon. Congo Republic is to the west of the larger nation of Congo, formerly known as Zaire. In 2002, after human disease outbreaks caused by the Zaire strain of the Ebola virus, the researchers began finding dead gorillas. Over a number of months they found 33, tested 12 for Ebola and found that 9 were infected. And from October 2002 to January 2003, 130 of the 143 gorillas they had been studying — 91 percent — disappeared. The losses continued: 91 of 95 gorillas the researchers were watching died from October 2003 to January 2004. Many chimpanzees in the region have also died.

In the past, other researchers have questioned whether Ebola was really killing so many apes, since relatively few carcasses had been tested. Dr. Nichol said that he would like to see more testing, but added that he believed the group’s findings, and acknowledged that obtaining samples was difficult and dangerous work.

The region is a dense jungle; male gorillas attack humans who venture too close, and carcasses are teeming with the virus and highly infectious. To collect samples, scientists have to wear germproof suits that cover them and filter the air they breathe.

Although gorillas are hunted for meat, even in preserves where it is illegal, the authors say there is nowhere near enough hunting in the region they studied to account for so many missing animals. They estimate that between 2002 and 2005, Ebola has killed 3,500 to 5,500 gorillas in a region of about 2,000 square miles — and that figure, they say, is a conservative one. Dr. Walsh said it was his “educated guess� that since 1992, Ebola may have killed as many as a quarter of the world’s gorillas.

Apes are humans’ closest relatives, and like people they suffer a brutal illness from Ebola and die from hemorrhage and shock. Precisely how gorillas contract the disease is a mystery. Scientists assume they must catch it from another animal that acts as a natural reservoir host and carries the virus without being killed by it. Fruit-eating bats are suspected, but none have been confirmed as the reservoir, Dr. Nichol said.

Whatever the host, it could infect western gorillas by defecating or leaving saliva on their food, which is mostly fruit. The gorillas could then infect one another, both inside their own social groups and between groups. The virus is spread by bodily fluids, and by touching sick or dead animals. Dr. Walsh said that gorillas commonly ate one another’s dung, which could also transmit the virus.

Scientists have debated whether gorillas’ infecting one another or the reservoir host is the main culprit. The new report says the gorillas play an important part: it shows that the spread of the disease and the timing of outbreaks match the pattern that would occur if the animals were infecting one another.

If the gorillas are infecting one another, the path of the disease will be fairly predictable, and vaccination may be able to stop it, Dr. Walsh said. (A vaccine would be less likely to succeed if most of the cases were coming from reservoir hosts, because the pattern would be more random and unpredictable.)

The Ebola virus alone is not likely to drive gorillas to extinction, Dr. Walsh said. “All the major parks have serious hunting and poaching problems,� he said. “It’s a slippery slope. Ebola is pushing the gorillas onto it, and other factors are pushing them down it.� His goal is to keep the gorilla populations large enough to withstand the other assaults on them, and stopping Ebola would be a step in the right direction, he said.

[mh]

Mars... indeed, scientifically and philosophically interesting, but better clean this place up first instead of goin' about looking for a following garbage heap (and spending all that money that coul've been used right here to help us and other animals asap).

Well I've personally gone on record here as saying we should never have come outta the caves.

Unfortunately, we are out of them, so we gotta deal with it. As an aggressive tribal hunter carnivore species, it's pretty much inevitable that once we get in control we'll make a mess of things. So I suppose that space exploration (and art, music, writing, and anything else that doesn't contribute directly to the survival of the species) is at least something that gives some hope that things will be OK in the longer run. That we can conquer our primitive instincts and aim for higher goals.

[more-sedatives-pls]

Unfortunately, we are out of them, so we gotta deal with it. As an aggressive tribal hunter carnivore species, it's pretty much inevitable that once we get in control we'll make a mess of things. So I suppose that space exploration (and art, music, writing, and anything else that doesn't contribute directly to the survival of the species) is at least something that gives some hope that things will be OK in the longer run. That we can conquer our primitive instincts and aim for higher goals.

uhm... we're not carnivores though.
Art & that are expressions of our enlarged brain - creativity is important for survival, that's why we're with 6billion at present.
I know religion seems to give hope to people - didn't know space exploration fitted there...
Just my opinion of course, but I'd only start pumping that much effort in space when we first did all we could to try and make it here.

@ spot778 : doesn't look like a new outbreak though - rather a summary of past events - tx for the info!

[markfiend]

We need to get off this planet for the long-term survival of the human species.

[UtterlyBastardGroovy]

Mixing Ebola with smallpox - what a great idea!

from Wikipedia:

[edit] Ebola as a Weapon
Ebola is classified as a Category A Biological terrorism agent by the CDC as well as being considered a select agent that has the "potential to pose a severe threat to public health and safety". Ebola was considered in biological warfare research at both Fort Detrick[17] in the United States and Biopreparat[18] in the Soviet Union during the Cold War.

Ebola shows potential as a biological weapon because of its lethality but due to its relatively short incubation period it may be more difficult to spread since it may kill its victim before it has a chance to be transmitted. As a result, some developers have considered breeding it with other agents such as smallpox[19] to create so-called chimera viruses. The Soviet biological weaponry program reportedly succeeded in mixing Ebola with smallpox[20] and the Venezuelan equine encephalitis virus.[21]

As a terrorist weapon, Ebola has been considered by members of Japan's Aum Shinrikyo cult, whose leader, Shoko Asahara led about 40 members to Zaire in 1992 under the guise of offering medical aid to Ebola victims in what was presumably an attempt to acquire a sample of the virus.[22]

[timsinister]

I have read an excerpt in a book about the Cold War from a document called An Anaylsis of the Effects of Chemical Warfare in the European Theater Utilizing Atmospheric Release Advisory Capability (ARAC) Prediction which was a nasty little analysis of chemical warfare between US and Soviet forces in Central Germany during the eighties. I've never been able to find the whole thing, but what little exists rather casually anticipates a death toll in far excess of the deployment of numerous tactical nuclear weapons!

People would rather be terrified by nuclear terrorism than chemical attack, probably due to the influence of the Cold War - but even if you do know some shifty Russians in the Navy, it's still easier to pick up dangerous biological agents, I'm sure.

Marky said it right; stuff Trident-II, let's develop a reliable space transport system.

[MadameButterfly]

Well more-sedatives-pls I'm afraid I don't search the net for that info, I remember reading an article in a S.A. magazine called the "Scope". That's when the reported outbreak in Zaire took place.

But thanks to spot778 there's something for you and also what UtterlyBastardGroovy gave us all very interesting. Thank you.

The only thing that the reports don't say is that although now the Ebola has reappeared, it would be the new strain of Ebola. Every time it goes into that dormant stage it has had the chance to evolve, causing the Ebola of this year slighty different from that of the previous year, so those vaccinations they speak of are probably from the previous year Ebola and not the new one. And that line between outbreak at this stage can only be human error. But then again the area where it's located isn't that humanly densely populated so who knows.

[markfiend]

People would rather be terrified by nuclear terrorism than chemical attack,

Aye, radioactive stuff disappears as it decays; but dioxins are forever.

[Obviousman]

People would rather be terrified by nuclear terrorism than chemical attack,

Aye, radioactive stuff disappears as it decays; but dioxins are forever.

Radioactivity lasts a couple of years though too. Couple thousand years to get to nearly zero? And I think in this case half-life theories make they'll never get to nothing at all anyway.

By the way: Isn't everything more or less radioactive