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I don't know how you guys listen to your Sisters music, but I usually make a few playlists on my Windows Media Player and listen to that.
Now I like to make lists that match albums or compilations, but recently I noticed I was getting a few things wrong. For instance I never knew Alice had a '93 remake.
So my question to you Heartlanders is; what different versions have there been of all the official songs released by :von:? I know that there are two versions of Alice, two of Body Electric, two of Lucretia My Reflection... but I'm not so sure about the rest.
So my question is: what version was released on which single/album/compilation and how many versions of that song were released officially? It doesn't matter whether the difference is rather small (like, Japanese Black Planet/ FALAA version), but I would rather like to be sure about, for instance, whether the 8:44 Lucretia my Reflection extended version was released on ASCOO or with the single...
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Two version of Colours - one on Gift and one on the B side of TC.

I think the extended Lucretia on the single is even longer - nearer 10, if memory serves.
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It's a shame the Sisters Database site has gone as this would answer all these questions!

Lucretia had different length versions on the album, 7", 12" and the CD version if I remember correctly.

Looking at my MP3 list (as I don't have the vinyl here) we have :

Lucretia - Floodland 4:56
Lucretia - 7" 4:14
Lucretia CD - 9:51

Dr Jeep - Vision Thing 4:41
Dr Jeep - 7" 4:15
Dr Jeep (extended) - 12" 8:59

More - Vision Thing 8:22
More - CD 4:41
More (extended) - CD 8:31

More 1993 (radio edit) - CD 3:02
More 1993 (groove mix) - CD 10:54
More 1993 (power mix) - CD 10:53

I Was Wrong - Vision Thing 6:03
I Was Wrong - CD 3:12
I Was Wrong - CD 6:03

Temple Of Love - 7" 3:50
Temple Of Love (extended) - 12" 7:39

Temple Of Love 1992 - 7" 4:40
Temple Of Love 1992 - 12"/CD 8:07

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but are these versions just extended or completely different, like Alice '82 and Alice '93?
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Generally extended. More and More 1993 are different.

Although I think that calling them extended may be wrong. Listening to some of them, I would be tempted to say that the longer versions were the originals and the shorter versions were edited out of them.

Examples of the top of my head :

Vision Thing (Canadian Club Mix) was the original and the album mix was a edited version.

The extended versions of both Temple Of Love were the original and the 7" mixes were edits.

If you want some new versions of old songs you need to look at the live stuff. Fix for example, was re-done for the live gigs in '92-93.

I Was Wrong (live 06) had different music to the original version.

Body Electric was a much slower version live in 98(?)

You'd be best off having a look through the Sisters Wiki http://www.sisterswiki.org/index.php/Main_Page and going through the Discography there.

The only major difference on the early stuff is that The Damage Done single is much "brighter" on the original vinyl. The Some Girls... versions have been played with. The rest of the songs sound the way they do on the original vinyl.
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Body Electric version 2001 I think. There is also two versions of Train?
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I knew it was somewhere around then.

Oh yeah, forgot about Train and Train (amphetamix).
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CellThree wrote:I knew it was somewhere around then.

Oh yeah, forgot about Train and Train (amphetamix).
Train and Long Train... :D

A fragment and the full lenght Never Land. :D
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These are some timings I have:

Lucretia:
standard US/UK/German 7" 4.19
Spanish promo 7" 4.55
Standard UK/German 12" 9.52
US promo 12" mixes 4.20, 5.00, 9.50
Floodland German cassette 4.57
Floodland German lp (inc black label promo) 3.55
Floodland German/US CD 4.57
Floodland UK radio station edit promo lp 4.52
Floodland Canadian lp 4.43
Floodland Japanese lp 4.56

Colours:
TC 12" 7.13
TC CDS 4.15
TC cassette 4.16
Gift lp 8.03
Floodland 7.18

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2 diff versions 3.44 and 3.50 on singles

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Standard UK/German/Spanish/US/South African/Portuguese/Australian 7" 4.24
Canadian promo 3.59
UK black label 7" 3.55
Standard UK/German/Canadian 12" 8.37
US promo 12" mixes 4.24, 8.35
US promo CDS 4.24
UK black label and white label 12" 11.15
standard UK/German CDS 11.15
UK cassette mixes 3.59, 5.16
(have sneaking suspicion that normal UK & European 7" is 3.59, not 4.24)
Floodland German lp (inc black label) 9.27
Floodland US/German CD 10.55
Floodland German cassette 10.48
Floodland UK radio station edit promo lp 9.22
Floodland Canadian lp 8.56
Floodland Japanese lp 9.16
(have never checked the US, Argentine, Greek & Portuguese lps times!)

Many years ago I used to listen to em all with a stop watch! (bear in mind my record player wasn't the best, so maybe the times differ from other peoples).
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And Train....
B&S UK 7" & 12" 2.40
B&S German 12" 2.36
B&S Canadian 12" 2.38
Long Train WA flexi disc Amphetamix -7:06
Long Train (1984) from Lucretia 7" 7.23 & 7.25 versions
Long Train (1984) from Lucretia UK 12" & CDS 7:06
Long Train (1984) from Lucretia German 12" 7:25

And forgot about Lucretia 4.13 mix from WEA UK sampler tape.
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Same here Deadagain, could you tell me which of these are simply extended/shortened versions and which are truly different songs (like Alice '82 isn't like Alice '93)?
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Tidal wrote:Same here Deadagain, could you tell me which of these are simply extended/shortened versions and which are truly different songs (like Alice '82 isn't like Alice '93)?
You do keep them busy Ivo! :lol:
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What is Train (amphetamix)? Eldritch mix? Worth seeking out?
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I'm just trying to find out whether I'm still missing any official releases, Ozzy. Thanks to your generous contribution, I think I have mp3 files of every official release so far, but I'm not sure anymore. I have at least 1 version of each official song, but after noticing the difference between Alice '93 and Alice '82 I'm unsure about whether I have all versions.

Maybe I should ask my question differently:
What version of which song was released on what single/album?
Like on SWGBM, Alice '93 and BO '82 are included, but not Alice '93 or BO '84.
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itnAklipse wrote:What is Train (amphetamix)? Eldritch mix? Worth seeking out?
It was re-released as the B-Side of Lucretia as Long Train. It was originally on the flexi 7" that came with the Walk Away single.
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itnAklipse wrote:What is Train (amphetamix)? Eldritch mix? Worth seeking out?
It was re-released as the B-Side of Lucretia as Long Train. It was originally on the flexi 7" that came with the Walk Away single.
And on the FALAA reissue.

Speaking of which, there's also SKOS and SKOS (Early), which were completely different recordings.

I'm not sure if I'd give too much weight to slightly different running times - most likely caused by the track either being mastered at a different speed, or a fade out being slightly early (or late).

With the database gone, maybe we should look to recreating it on the wiki. I'm sure we have enough collective knowledge to do it.
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@ Mh: so we're expanding http://www.sisterswiki.org/index.php/Main_Page ?
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So this isn't a reggae thread... :(
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Tidal wrote:I'm just trying to find out whether I'm still missing any official releases, Ozzy. Thanks to your generous contribution, I think I have mp3 files of every official release so far, but I'm not sure anymore. I have at least 1 version of each official song, but after noticing the difference between Alice '93 and Alice '82 I'm unsure about whether I have all versions.

Maybe I should ask my question differently:
What version of which song was released on what single/album?
Like on SWGBM, Alice '93 and BO '82 are included, but not Alice '93 or BO '84.
In that case, I would suggest you get the following (or make sure you have) :

Some Girls...
The three albums (go for the 2006 versions as these have some of the B-sides on them)
Body And Soul single
Dominion single (CD)
Temple Of Love 1992 single
Under The Gun single
More 1993 single
(We Are The Same) Suzanne web single

This should get you every official version of the released songs. All the remaining ones are extended mixes or live tracks and can be found on the B-sides to some of the singles. If you have all of these then you can check the different versions between them.

The answer to your question can also be found by looking at the Sisters Wiki anyway and looking at the track listings.
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AFAIK the track listing on Wiki only says the song name, not whether it's another version of the song or not. I knew Body Electric was released twice from SistersWiki, but it didn't note the second release was a new version

And the option you presented would cost me a lot of $$$- I'd spend some money on the Sisters, but not that much at once :innocent:
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itnAklipse wrote:What is Train (amphetamix)? Eldritch mix? Worth seeking out?
its what the version of Train is called on the flexi disc which came with initial copies of Walk Away 7"/12".

Long Train (1984) on the b-side of Lucreita singles is supposed to be the same, although some have slightly different timings and I've never compared them back to back.
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Tidal wrote:I'm just trying to find out whether I'm still missing any official releases, Ozzy. Thanks to your generous contribution, I think I have mp3 files of every official release so far, but I'm not sure anymore. I have at least 1 version of each official song, but after noticing the difference between Alice '93 and Alice '82 I'm unsure about whether I have all versions.

Maybe I should ask my question differently:
What version of which song was released on what single/album?
Like on SWGBM, Alice '93 and BO '82 are included, but not Alice '93 or BO '84.
whats BO? does that relate to Eldo's particular smell after touring in 82 and 84?

:lol:

SGWBM: doesn't that say on it 'the sisters of mercy 1980 - 1983'? ie all the singles from 1980 to 1983; so Body Electric rerecorded 1984 version isn't on it, nor is 'Alice 1993' (ie rerecorded version in 1993).

SGWBM come out in 1992 month after 'ToL 1992 touched by the hand of Ofra Haza', so Alice 1993 wasn'r around then!
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Tidal wrote:And the option you presented would cost me a lot of $$$- I'd spend some money on the Sisters, but not that much at once :innocent:
its easier on the pocket if you've been collecting over a 20+ year period.....
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Tidal wrote:Same here Deadagain, could you tell me which of these are simply extended/shortened versions and which are truly different songs (like Alice '82 isn't like Alice '93)?
Ch**st, why did i get involved in this thread - I'm not gonna get any w**k done today, what a shame :lol:

Of all the versions of songs i mentioned above, I don't think there is much difference in most of them beyond the mastering & editing to make em shorter or longer to fit the particular release.

I didn't mention the TC Sprial Tribe remix, which is VERY different, but is unofficial, coming out c 2001 (and its reaconed not to be connected to THE Spiral Tribe AFAIK).

The rerecorded songs:

Body Electric in 1982 and 1984
Alice in 1982 and 1993
Tol in 1983 and 1992

Umm.. can't think of any more off the top of my head. Haven't compared the versions of Colours from TC single and Gift lp, but am pretty sure they are mixes of the same recording.
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CellThree wrote:
Tidal wrote:I'm just trying to find out whether I'm still missing any official releases, Ozzy. Thanks to your generous contribution, I think I have mp3 files of every official release so far, but I'm not sure anymore. I have at least 1 version of each official song, but after noticing the difference between Alice '93 and Alice '82 I'm unsure about whether I have all versions.

Maybe I should ask my question differently:
What version of which song was released on what single/album?
Like on SWGBM, Alice '93 and BO '82 are included, but not Alice '93 or BO '84.
In that case, I would suggest you get the following (or make sure you have) :

Some Girls...
The three albums (go for the 2006 versions as these have some of the B-sides on them)
Body And Soul single
Dominion single (CD)
Temple Of Love 1992 single
Under The Gun single
More 1993 single
(We Are The Same) Suzanne web single

This should get you every official version of the released songs. All the remaining ones are extended mixes or live tracks and can be found on the B-sides to some of the singles. If you have all of these then you can check the different versions between them.

The answer to your question can also be found by looking at the Sisters Wiki anyway and looking at the track listings.
you could also look out for the 'Vision Songs' and 'Some Boys..' bootlegs - they should fill in all the official blanks in your collection!
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