That Suzanne Video

bookish · 06 Oct 2007, 01:06

You know the one. It was on the main web-site, and is currentlly on you-tube here .

Whats the story behind it? When was it shot, and why? Presumably this would have been funded by a record label, but does anyone know which one. And why then?

Was this as far back as it being viewed of as a VT follow-up - or was it to do with a greatest hits package.

Guedzilla · 06 Oct 2007, 02:13

From the official site...

"These clips may or may not be the same songs/versions/edits/mixes that we may or may not release on DVD one day. "

and

"Bands usually log their performance in some way. Some of them like to relive it all in the bus afterwards, for whatever perverse reason. We would do it just because we can. If we were interested in recording a live album we'd get a lot more than a handycam and a DAT recorder to do it with, but it seems daft not to put those toys into action."

Guedzilla · 06 Oct 2007, 02:23

...not that it answers much of your question but...

I suppose they wre recordings made by the band with a bit more equipment...

paint it black · 06 Oct 2007, 08:58

a DVD was made and fully finished by eldritch - there was even a website set up ready to sell it. then chris left, and the master 'burnt down'

that was the teaser video

itnAklipse · 06 Oct 2007, 10:17

PIB

eotunun · 07 Oct 2007, 10:42

So we may only have a guess what else burnt down at Adam's..?

Ozpat · 07 Oct 2007, 12:58

Hasselt 2001

radiojamaica · 07 Oct 2007, 16:32

Nice vid!

I hadn't seen it before, so thanx a lot for the linky

H. Blackrose · 10 Oct 2007, 23:39

paint it black wrote:a DVD was made and fully finished by eldritch - there was even a website set up ready to sell it. then chris left, and the master 'burnt down'

Bloody hell. We already knew that the "Summer" single was kiboshed by Pearson - who also seems to have done something to banjax the live DVD as well. The question is: is there a great untold story of

trying his damndest to get Sisters product out there but being ankle-tapped by his bandmates at every opportunity? But if that's true, why was Pearson kept around for so long, and why has Von said nothing on the subject? Who is he trying to protect?

mh · 11 Oct 2007, 00:26

I think PiB is being funny again.

Either that or Pearson/Starling/Varjak/etc were secretly in the employ of a certain Mr. Hussmonster.

11 Oct 2007, 08:51

H. Blackrose wrote:
paint it black wrote:a DVD was made and fully finished by eldritch - there was even a website set up ready to sell it. then chris left, and the master 'burnt down'
Bloody hell. We already knew that the "Summer" single was kiboshed by Pearson - who also seems to have done something to banjax the live DVD as well. The question is: is there a great untold story of trying his damndest to get Sisters product out there but being ankle-tapped by his bandmates at every opportunity? But if that's true, why was Pearson kept around for so long, and why has Von said nothing on the subject? Who is he trying to protect?

from what i understand, you're not a gazillion miles wide of the mark...

streamline · 11 Oct 2007, 09:19

Quiff Boy wrote:
from what i understand, you're not a gazillion miles wide of the mark...

Have we been whining about the wrong person for all these years?

Surely not!

11 Oct 2007, 10:14

So now that Adam's clear of the picture and Chris and Ben are in the band, new Sisters 'product' should be emerging any day now.

Right?

Right?

11 Oct 2007, 10:19

6 of one, half a dozen of the other AFAIK

from what i've been told, adam had a lot of control within the band for a long, long time...

i think that he also felt the pressure of being in a band whose fans are hyper-critical placed a lot of expectation on his shoulders, and that as a result he was unsure about releasing stuff

couple that with the lack of a leb and the problems regarding distribution etc that come swit that, and also von's general stubborness and his refusal to accept new recordsing techniques, and modern studio technologies that he isn't familiar with, and its a recipe for disaster

mh · 11 Oct 2007, 10:35

Quiff Boy wrote:from what i've been told, adam had a lot of control within the band for a long, long time...

From what I understand - no inside knowledge, just a bit of putting 2 and 2 together - that was definitely the case.

streamline · 11 Oct 2007, 11:13

Quiff Boy wrote:
i think that he also felt the pressure of being in a band whose fans are hyper-critical placed a lot of expectation on his shoulders, and that as a result he was unsure about releasing stuff

Who - us? Hyper-critical?

Sounds like he lacked a little bit of confidence to me.

We just want new product. We only seem hyper-critical because we haven't had anything new and just over-analyse what we have (which is all we have been able to do since 1993).

You can't please everybody all of the time, just have the guts to release stuff and take whatever flack comes. Don't sit on any recordings just because you aren't sure whether they are up to the level of the fans' expectations. Believe in your product!

11 Oct 2007, 12:00

my feelings exactly

Elise · 11 Oct 2007, 12:58

Quiff Boy wrote: ..., and also von's general stubborness and his refusal to accept new recordsing techniques, and modern studio technologies that he isn't familiar with, ...

Is this true ?

Arrrgh! · 11 Oct 2007, 13:09

Hmm, I don't really buy that Quiffy Boy.

After all, the sisters have played countless gigs over the last 14 years - it's not as if the material doesn't stand up. If anything, it's almost worn out by now, seeing as it hasn't been released in so long.

They would almost need a totally new album now.

11 Oct 2007, 13:15

Elise wrote:Is this true ?

i've heard stuff from a few different sources regarding his approach to recording & editing audio & video, his insistance on being involved and 'hands-on', and also on his insistence in using technologies he is familiar with (but which are more often than not quite out of date)

up until about 2 years ago i used to live next door to a guy who worked for a small video production company in leeds. he told me that a couple of years before that they did some initial work on 'a dvd' for the sisters (maybe this fabled one, i dont know)

however, von wanted to do some of it himself and thus said they had to use a very old piece of software to do it

in the end the vid company pulled out, and my ex-neighbour said they could have done it in a 3rd the time if he'd just stepped away and let them get on with it using modern tools & software

(see what NIN's trent reznor did off his own back!!)

this same mindset is evident by the sheer amount of tech gear the sisters hulk around on tour with them - most of it could be squeezed into a couple of macbook pros, or decent spec pc laptops, reducing the cost of touring and leaving plenty of room for backup kit etc. but instead they hulk around huge pieces of outboard kit that takes 2+ trucks to move about (as if they're the rolling stones or something

)

part of me wonders if adam ever despaired at this side of things - he was tech-savvy and well versed in modern recording and sound production kit (he owns a studio FFS) and it must have killed him to see the old kit being wheeled out time after time

11 Oct 2007, 13:20

(Edit: This was posted in reply to Arrgh! not QB)

Ideal world: we'll get a studio album of new new material, with a bonus CD of studio recordings of the old "new material".

The best we can possibly hope for: just the CD of studio recordings of the old "new material".

What will happen in the real world: No new recording, few or no new songs in the live sets, same as has been happening for 14 years now...

mh · 11 Oct 2007, 19:17

I'd be inclined to despair too, but I don't think Adam is totally blameless. All evidence indicates that he was the reason "Summer" didn't happen (which was the one critical event most responsible for the current situation), and he also appears to have put a block on his songs being made available for download.

Bartek · 11 Oct 2007, 19:35

good to know the reason, but dose it change the situation ?
and what we should felt about it now - if this informations - are true ?
mr. Taylor - old stubborn amphetamine filth...

you broken my life my heart ...

Ozpat · 11 Oct 2007, 19:56

Interesting. Not good however!

H. Blackrose · 11 Oct 2007, 20:58

Quiff Boy wrote:
Elise wrote:Is this true ?
i've heard stuff from a few different sources regarding his approach to recording & editing audio & video, his insistance on being involved and 'hands-on', and also on his insistence in using technologies he is familiar with (but which are more often than not quite out of date)

That much is obvious from looking at the "tech stuff" on the official website.

was still insisting on using DOS 3.3 software on 486 PCs at the turn of the millennium, on the basis that if it was good enough for Floodland it would be good enough for "Summer". There was some mention of Pearson putting pressure on him to at least move up to Mac OS9, which he seemed grumpy about. (I have much the same conservative habit, which is this is why I prefer to use open-source continually-updated software - it forces me to catch up periodically.)

Which at least leaves us the hope that he might have spent the last three years or so, when not gigging, learning software that's younger than most of the participants on this forum. But that still leaves the question of how "Adam got a lot of control in the band". A lot of control in Von's band?!?

Still - if Von insists on using nostalgia tech, that doesn't do much for him not wanting to be a nostalgia band. On Gary Numan's recent shows where he played his classic late '70s albums in their entireity, the fans asked if he was going to go back to analog synths and he was all like "bugger that for a game of soldiers, they were crap and unreliable at the time and they're worse now".