Let Us Prey ...

[MadameButterfly]

We cannot prey within these walls with our priest.

[scotty]

you tell me?

No............you picked me up on it, I replied to an ignorant article about an emotive subject that very few people can speak with practical experience or knowledge and you mention spelling..............you tell me.

I'm 'all ears' (or eyes in this case) ...
- You obviously have experience and knowledge here?
- I don't care about the spelling - we all mistakes with 'typos' etc.

Believe it or not I'm not out to pick a fight, just that I witness 'farmers' slaughter not just foxes, but anything they can, and right on my 'doorstep' too, so I certainly ain't ignorant - they are, and arrogant too.

just that I witness 'farmers' slaughter not just foxes, but anything they can

Really?, Sparrows, Skylarks, Swallows, Sandmartins?............bit of a blanket statement that.

[reactiv8]

We cannot prey within these walls with our priest.

[reactiv8]

Really?, Sparrows, Skylarks, Swallows, Sandmartins?............bit of a blanket statement that.

Badgers, Kites, Buzzards, Stoats, Sparrowhawks (& foxes too of course)
- that's enough to be going on with ...
I take your point though, so I'm listening ...
This is a 'forum' after all.

[MadameButterfly]

We cannot prey within these walls with our priest.

Maybe you don't know what that means but others do.

[scotty]

Really?, Sparrows, Skylarks, Swallows, Sandmartins?............bit of a blanket statement that.

Badgers, Kites, Buzzards, Stoats, Sparrowhawks (& foxes too of course)
- that's enough to be going on with ...
I take your point though, so I'm listening ...
This is a 'forum' after all.

Any species that have no natural predators grow to a level where they impact on them lower down the food chain, Badger numbers have grown to such an extent that DEFRA are now advising a cull due to them spreading TB, the "Country" in not alive with Rabbits that need Foxes to control their numbers, RSPB, SNH, BTO, Natural England all control Foxes on land they own for the protection of Red Data Species, Cappercallie, Stone Curlews, Marsh Harriers, Merlin, Dunlin etc are all very rare and susceptible to predation by Foxes, Stoates, Badgers, Crows, that's why conservation bodies hunt/kill/shoot/cull, what ever description you prefer.
The hunting of Foxes for "Sport" is a different argument, but the article you quoted is crass in the extreme and only clouds the argument, it's like saying Scotland is over run by Deer, it isn't.

[reactiv8]

We cannot prey within these walls with our priest.

Maybe you don't know what that means but others do.

I've got a pretty good idea though, but thank ye anyway ...
- Too many 'peeps' spoiling for a fight tonight and they 'won' at some rugby thing yesterday too! - You can't please some folk ...

Time to read a book methinks - They don't answer back!

[scotty]

Maybe you don't know what that means but others do.

I've got a pretty good idea though, but thank ye anyway ...
- Too many 'peeps' spoiling for a fight tonight and they 'won' at some rugby thing yesterday too! - You can't please some folk ...

Time to read a book methinks - They don't answer back!

They don't answer back!

Is that where most of your arguments fall down?.

I'm in no way "spoiling for a fight"..............OK.

[reactiv8]

Any species that have no natural predators grow to a level where they impact on them lower down the food chain, Badger numbers have grown to such an extent that DEFRA are now advising a cull due to them spreading TB, the "Country" in not alive with Rabbits that need Foxes to control their numbers, RSPB, SNH, BTO, Natural England all control Foxes on land they own for the protection of Red Data Species, Cappercallie, Stone Curlews, Marsh Harriers, Merlin, Dunlin etc are all very rare and susceptible to predation by Foxes, Stoates, Badgers, Crows, that's why conservation bodies hunt/kill/shoot/cull, what ever description you prefer.
The hunting of Foxes for "Sport" is a different argument, but the article you quoted is crass in the extreme and only clouds the argument, it's like saying Scotland is over run by Deer, it isn't.

"Any species that have no natural predators grow to a level where they impact on them lower down the food chain" - Humans?

Badgers don't spread TB - Cows do..

I thought there were too many Deer in Scotland and they needed to be 'controlled'? - by Wolves perhaps? Too bad the Humans killed all of them.

[scotty]

Any species that have no natural predators grow to a level where they impact on them lower down the food chain, Badger numbers have grown to such an extent that DEFRA are now advising a cull due to them spreading TB, the "Country" in not alive with Rabbits that need Foxes to control their numbers, RSPB, SNH, BTO, Natural England all control Foxes on land they own for the protection of Red Data Species, Cappercallie, Stone Curlews, Marsh Harriers, Merlin, Dunlin etc are all very rare and susceptible to predation by Foxes, Stoates, Badgers, Crows, that's why conservation bodies hunt/kill/shoot/cull, what ever description you prefer.
The hunting of Foxes for "Sport" is a different argument, but the article you quoted is crass in the extreme and only clouds the argument, it's like saying Scotland is over run by Deer, it isn't.

"Any species that have no natural predators grow to a level where they impact on them lower down the food chain" - Humans?

Badgers don't spread TB - Cows do..

I thought there were too many Deer in Scotland and they needed to be 'controlled'? - by Wolves perhaps? Too bad the Humans killed all of them.

You're sarcasim has some depth.............shame you won't see it.

[MadameButterfly]

I've got a pretty good idea though, but thank ye anyway ...
- Too many 'peeps' spoiling for a fight tonight and they 'won' at some rugby thing yesterday too! - You can't please some folk ...

Time to read a book methinks - They don't answer back!

Really? Who then?
~ People in here don't spoil things or want to fight tonight, scotty does know alot about animals, we all know that. As for rugby as a sport, I know it but don't do the sport thing at all...maybe a downfall for me but it never set in my blood....makes me alien to my family too!

In here it's not a case of pleasing some folk as we all have different opions on subjects we love and it's not a case of not getting answers...sometimes one is slower than an other or someone couldn't be able to be bothered to answer or just can't.

If you're a sensitive type, don't let general chat within HL bother your mind too much. Many of us are really good friends and even we have different opions on all sorts.

[reactiv8]

Ok. 'nuff said.

[MadameButterfly]

Ok. 'nuff said.

Awww...now old man, don't go all funny on us. Relax, take deep breathes, calm yourself, get excited about the coming storm and really don't worry about me....you're a newbie here so only others may know what I'm on about...that's a MB thing you know. Sometimes I don't even know what I'm on about our lovely ems says I speak debish and it's true...my mind is thinking we are on the same wave length but I talk in a way that you can only understand if you know me kinda thing!

I do like you and will stop pulling your chain okay!

[mh]

I always thought it was reasonably well known that badgers did spread TB...?

As for "no natural predators", all you have to do is look at the situation with rabbits in Australia. It may be deeply unpleasant to think about, and we may have been the ones that created the mess in the first place, but it's far too late to say "I told you so" from a self-righteous stance. Best we can do is correct the mistake, and learn from it.

[scotty]

I always thought it was reasonably well known that badgers did spread TB...?

As for "no natural predators", all you have to do is look at the situation with rabbits in Australia. It may be deeply unpleasant to think about, and we may have been the ones that created the mess in the first place, but it's far too late to say "I told you so" from a self-righteous stance. Best we can do is correct the mistake, and learn from it.

That's another Pint I'm owe you , if we add all the pints we owe each other it will make for another great night

[6FeetOver]

Best we can do is correct the mistake, and learn from it.

Aye, there's the rub.

[MadameButterfly]

Maybe you don't know what that means but others do.

I've got a pretty good idea though, but thank ye anyway ...
- Too many 'peeps' spoiling for a fight tonight and they 'won' at some rugby thing yesterday too! - You can't please some folk ...

Time to read a book methinks - They don't answer back!

They don't answer back!

Is that where most of your arguments fall down?.

I'm in no way "spoiling for a fight"..............OK.

Aww guys...Keith doesn't spoil fights..boys calm down...I don't want this kind of thing on a Sunday evening. I have no idea what this is about but I'll find out....now please boys, play nice and let's not have this arguement.

[scotty]

Best we can do is correct the mistake, and learn from it.

Aye, there's the rub.

More Light & Less Heat is what is needed, I was in conservation for nearly 20 years, were the trouble starts, and I speak from bitter experience, is when people come to the table with arguments like the above article, only wildlife suffers in the long run

[MadameButterfly]

Best we can do is correct the mistake, and learn from it.

Aye, there's the rub.

More Light & Less Heat is what is needed, I was in conservation for nearly 20 years, were the trouble starts, and I speak from bitter experience, is when people come to the table with arguments like the above article, only wildlife suffers in the long run

And wildlife shouldn't suffer at least there are enough of us that think on the same levels.

[mh]

I always thought it was reasonably well known that badgers did spread TB...?

As for "no natural predators", all you have to do is look at the situation with rabbits in Australia. It may be deeply unpleasant to think about, and we may have been the ones that created the mess in the first place, but it's far too late to say "I told you so" from a self-righteous stance. Best we can do is correct the mistake, and learn from it.

That's another Pint I'm owe you , if we add all the pints we owe each other it will make for another great night

You, me, a can of red paint, and a town.

[Dark]

Oi, don't forget me, gents. I owe both of you drinks.

Even if I'm going to be in the evil city of Weegieland next year, Keef, we'll have to make sure to meet for a few bottle-emptying ceremonies

[mh]

Better make it two cans of red paint then! Watch out, civilization!

[MadameButterfly]

Not in my town you lot will not!

[reactiv8]

Ok. 'nuff said.

Awww...now old man, don't go all funny on us. Relax, take deep breathes, calm yourself, get excited about the coming storm and really don't worry about me....you're a newbie here so only others may know what I'm on about...that's a MB thing you know. Sometimes I don't even know what I'm on about our lovely ems says I speak debish and it's true...my mind is thinking we are on the same wave length but I talk in a way that you can only understand if you know me kinda thing!

I do like you and will stop pulling your chain okay!

Hello again MB

I didn't go 'all funny on you' (thankfully) - I managed to control my spectacular temper ... Maybe I'm a 'newbie' on Heartland, but in other respects I'm 'as old as the hills' - for example, my religion is 'the old one', which girls especially, got burnt (and worse) for in the 16th, 17th and other centuries. Your mind is indeed correct, and we probably are 'on the same wavelength' - I usually defer to the females of our species - They are our 'controllers' after all, eh?

More to follow shortly ...

[MadameButterfly]

Hello again MB

I didn't go 'all funny on you' (thankfully) - I managed to control my spectacular temper ... Maybe I'm a 'newbie' on Heartland, but in other respects I'm 'as old as the hills' - for example, my religion is 'the old one', which girls especially, got burnt (and worse) for in the 16th, 17th and other centuries. Your mind is indeed correct, and we probably are 'on the same wavelength' - I usually defer to the females of our species - They are our 'controllers' after all, eh?

Hello reactiv8

Oh I see, one with a spectacular temper! Yeah, I know about you being an old man, your religion and maybe we are on the same wavelength!
You just scored points for that last sentence I've quoted you on.
Now shall we prey and all be friends again in this thread...