Are The Sisters g*th or not

20 Dec 2002, 11:16

Jim wrote:
DomConway wrote:I'll go with the "they aren't" too. But I'll follow it with a "they used to be" and add that I have never been one!
I wish I could claim the same.

Bah. Misspent youth.

tell me about it!

zigeunerweisen · 31 Dec 2002, 16:37

And another vote here, for the "they are a rock bad and always have been".

Andy TG · 19 Jan 2003, 01:29

I have just bought and, of course read the "None More Black" article in this months "Classic Rock" magazine - and as far as the general, record buying public are concerned (or so it would appear) the "Sisters" are "GOTH!" - dont shout at Moi - its Societies Fault! - MuHa!

Ribbons75 · 20 Jan 2003, 23:52

The sisters are Andrew and STOP !

To define them goth, dark, etc...etc... is a big mistake because it's to delimit them and specially the Andrew's soul.

Bye !

Ribbons75 · 21 Jan 2003, 00:26

The true and best Sisters are NOW... but the people don't understand it......

and they find ridicules the recent concerts but they are crazy

!!!! Listened Ribbons, or Lucrethia or Crash and Burn.. Summer, Body Electric, We are the same Suzanne etc...etc.... NOW !!! I prefer his voice NOW.
There are an energy and a charisma in Eldritch NOW extraordinary and more free!! In the 80' they are more engages "to be dark"... I hate Hussey and i'm not between the many that judge FALAL theirs masterpiece !!
This is my opinion !!
For Eldritch

Byeeeee !

Andy TG · 21 Jan 2003, 00:54

I never said I was ANTI Eldritch

(*hides behind monitor - until first battalion are exhausted*)

I was talking about the badly written and badly opinioned "None More Black" - it reads like like an A level essay!

Eldritch can be a B*****D - by his own admission - but thats why we all love him right !

Moz Magister · 04 Apr 2003, 16:27

He has always admitted that he's not a goth;

I mean would a goth band hire an overqualified metronome instead of a real drummer?

I seem to remember him wearing a white suit to do 'This Corrission' on TOTP to prove he wasn't a goth as well (it went well with her wedding dress, the swordstick, the black nails, the shades etc etc)

I'ts also coincidence that he came from Leeds and (happened to spend the period from when punk collapsed, to the time the new romantics realised what they were doing) writing angsty songs with romantic overtones in an

(allegedly)

amphetemine fuelled orgy of lace and cat fur.

N0, he's just another wanabe that just happens to be perpetually surrounded in fog and ocassionally sings exsistental songs to enough goths to fill one of them fields people kick pig bladders on.

Black Dahlia · 04 Apr 2003, 16:42

Moz Magister wrote:He has always admitted that he's not a goth;

I mean would a goth band hire an overqualified metronome instead of a real drummer?

I seem to remember him wearing a white suit to do 'This Corrission' on TOTP to prove he wasn't a goth as well (it went well with her wedding dress, the swordstick, the black nails, the shades etc etc)

I'ts also coincidence that he came from Leeds and (happened to spend the period from when punk collapsed, to the time the new romantics realised what they were doing) writing angsty songs with romantic overtones in an
(allegedly)[/list:u]amphetemine fuelled orgy of lace and cat fur.

N0, he's just another wanabe that just happens to be perpetually surrounded in fog and ocassionally sings exsistental songs to enough goths to fill one of them fields people kick pig bladders on.

Oooh heaven's what an inflammatory statement , handbags at dawn .....

I think we all know Von's failings / foibles well enough by now

Thea · 04 Apr 2003, 19:36

goth is something different every week.

this week i think goth is wearing orange legwarmers and listening to skinny puppy.

next week has green eyeshadow and listening to voltaire pencilled in....

sisters are goth when it suits them

Crystal Methedrine · 04 Apr 2003, 20:41

I think the Sisters are not goth although some of their song could be defined so. And I read a Von's interview where he said that "maybe in the past" some songs had a goth-inspiration. In my opinion, "Burn" is so for example.
Some friends of mine think that "Vision Thing" is the beginning of the worst Sisters. For me it is slightely the opposite. They're the best rock band I have ever seen in my life.
Cheers,

Andy TG · 04 Apr 2003, 23:36

@ Moz

I mean would a goth band hire an overqualified metronome instead of a real drummer?

> Drum Machines/Keyboards

- should I bother to mention "Cybergoth!" - Oh I just did

> (Bleepy Rave S h i t e IMHO!

)

I seem to remember him wearing a white suit to do 'This Corrission' on TOTP to prove he wasn't a goth as well (it went well with her wedding dress, the swordstick, the black nails, the shades etc etc)

> I think you will find that the white suit (and tidy beard) was for "Dominion" not "This Corrosion". I thought (and still do!) that VON looked great in a white suit!

Moz Magister · 08 Apr 2003, 16:17

You expected me to remember that far back in detail?

Whatever they (

) consider themselves they still have to look at hundreds of goths most gigs (although I've managed to persuade a couple of distinctly non-goth types (actually an indie-kid & a funk-meister) to go to every Sisters gig within a hundred miles and they seem to love it!

Long Live Gothic-Rock (or something)

Andy TG · 16 Apr 2003, 18:15

I dont expect anything of anyone

(only joking)

I am unfortunate (;-)) enough to have a very good memory (and also to an "sisters" obsessive!

As for looking "at hundreds of G***'S" that would explain the Smoke and Shades (perhaps!)

James Blast · 06 Nov 2003, 00:08

Goth - then
Indolent Lazy Evil Metal Dickweeds - now

just my interpretation of this of course

regards
Blast

MrChris · 06 Nov 2003, 13:29

Listen, I have an idea. I don't know that there is a poll facility on this esteemed forum, but it's fairly easy to construct one. I shall do as follows: post a message saying the Sisters are goths, and Von is in denial. If you agree, reply to it. DON'T otherwise. I shall also post a message saying the Sisters are a fine rock band, not sad goths. If you agree, reply to it, if you disagree, DON'T. Then we can simply count the posts, no?

Brilliant! Or quite simple. Or both. Who knows.

06 Nov 2003, 13:52

there was a poll facilty but i disablked it a loooong time ago.

you want me to enable it?

06 Nov 2003, 14:07

Quiff Boy wrote:there was a poll facilty but i disablked it a loooong time ago.

you want me to enable it?

we now have the facility to do proper POLLS!

http://www.myheartland.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=3143

vote away

mayhem · 06 Nov 2003, 14:27

Ribbons75 wrote:The true and best Sisters are NOW... but the people don't understand it...... and they find ridicules the recent concerts but they are crazy !!!! Listened Ribbons, or Lucrethia or Crash and Burn.. Summer, Body Electric, We are the same Suzanne etc...etc.... NOW !!! I prefer his voice NOW.
There are an energy and a charisma in Eldritch NOW extraordinary and more free!! In the 80' they are more engages "to be dark"... I hate Hussey and i'm not between the many that judge FALAL theirs masterpiece !!
This is my opinion !!
For Eldritch
Byeeeee !

Just quoting it all cos I agree entirely!

M

Nancy_78 · 09 Nov 2003, 17:49

Andrew is totally right when he says the Sisters are not a goth band.Put his stark baritone and image aside and concetrate just on the music itself and you can hear lots of psychedelic-punk(The Stooges for instance),glam(Gary Glitter and T-Rex for example),hard'n'heavy(Motorhead) and electronic(Suicide) influences among few others in it.Pure rock'n'roll.I would site them more dark than goth because between dark and goth there's some certain kind of difference.

pikkrong · 09 Nov 2003, 18:35

I was in an "Electro-Industrial / EBM / Future Pop" party last night. Danced and met many nice people. Noticed that finally there's gothic subculture in Estonia. Although some young goths (Russians and Estonians) were very friendly I still spent more time with DM fans. Maybe I have more to talk with people of my age.
Well, but what I wanted to say - one Sisters song - Temple Of Love (touched by the hand of Ofra Haza) - was also played and then I realized (in a way I can't formulate) big difference between this song and those people with black'n'white faces...

Erudite · 09 Nov 2003, 18:41

This one is just going to run and run.
At the end of the day, whether he chooses to acknowledge it or not, Eldritch has certainly made use of some very Gothic imagery in the past. The band also used to have a very large Goth following. I honestly don't know if that makes them a Goth band or not. Frankly, I don't really care. I'm far more inclined to get bent out of shape or upset about the lack of recorded material for the last decade.
Eldritch once stated that successful bands issue records, not writs.
Need I say more?

James Blast · 09 Nov 2003, 18:45

Erudite wrote:This one is just going to run and run.
At the end of the day, whether he chooses to acknowledge it or not, Eldritch has certainly made use of some very Gothic imagery in the past. The band also used to have a very large Goth following. I honestly don't know if that makes them a Goth band or not. Frankly, I don't really care. I'm far more inclined to get bent out of shape or upset about the lack of recorded material for the last decade.
Eldritch once stated that successful bands issue records, not writs.
Need I say more?

Here, here, damn fine summing up Sir!

regards
Blast

Dave R · 09 Nov 2003, 20:33

Another comment from the "not a goth band" went like this:-

There are three good bands in the world, us, the Birthday Party and Motorhead, we are better then the BP, but not as good as Motorhead"

Neither of three Bands mentioned are "goth" in the Specimen/ASF/Virgin Prunes sense of the word, for me, that sorts that out.
As for the other thing, two of three artists he mentioned are still releasing work after 25 years, albeit under different names at times....
Go Figure....
Me, I would not mind if Von did a Cave and recorded under his own name, after all - what is it we want?
A "Sisters of Mercy" album, like the crap that EW did not release..ssv...
or...
Words by Eldritch, Music by Eldritch, for gawds sake the Reptile House was a solo project and that is AWSOME.
Mind you, most people my missus is one of em' reckon the sisters are a bunch of Coffin Grabbin Goths...what does she know? she likes Hanoi F***** Rocks!!!

Sermon Over.

Adios.

Erudite · 09 Nov 2003, 20:35

Red Sunsets wrote:
Erudite wrote:This one is just going to run and run.
At the end of the day, whether he chooses to acknowledge it or not, Eldritch has certainly made use of some very Gothic imagery in the past. The band also used to have a very large Goth following. I honestly don't know if that makes them a Goth band or not. Frankly, I don't really care. I'm far more inclined to get bent out of shape or upset about the lack of recorded material for the last decade.
Eldritch once stated that successful bands issue records, not writs.
Need I say more?
Here, here, damn fine summing up Sir!

regards
Blast

Thank you,

James Blast · 09 Nov 2003, 21:56

Doktor Wolf, I think I now your wife?

hehehehehe
Blast