Does exactly what it says on the tin. Some of the nonsense contained herein may be very loosely related to The Sisters of Mercy, but I wouldn't bet your PayPal account on it. In keeping with the internet's general theme nothing written here should be taken as Gospel: over three quarters of it is utter gibberish, and most of the forum's denizens haven't spoken to another human being face-to-face for decades. Don't worry your pretty little heads about it. Above all else, remember this: You don't have to stay forever. I will understand.
Alan Turing was the greatest computer scientist ever born in Britain. He laid the foundations of computing, helped break the Nazi Enigma code and told us how to tell whether a machine could think.
He was also gay. He was prosecuted for being gay, chemically castrated as a 'cure', and took his own life, aged 41.
The British Government should apologize to Alan Turing for his treatment and recognize that his work created much of the world we live in and saved us from Nazi Germany. And an apology would recognize the tragic consequences of prejudice that ended this man's life and career.
The petition is only open to British citizens and residents.
The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.
—Bertrand Russell
Done. Although I always find it a bit odd that people who were neither involved nor responsible (ie the current government) should have to apologise for something someone else did. Surely the people actually responsible should have to make the apology while the current government should make an acknowledgement of Turing's importance and reinforce that what happened in the past was wrong and will never happen again.
On the other hand, Gordon Brown should always be made to apologise for something - even if just for the entertainment value.
Quiff Boy wrote:there's a memorial statue in manchester, in a park just next to the gay village.
stufarq wrote:Done. Although I always find it a bit odd that people who were neither involved nor responsible (ie the current government) should have to apologise for something someone else did.
Agreed. It's largely the symbolic value though.
Something like "we acknowledge that the government's treatment of Turing, and indeed of many gay men at that time, was wrong and should not happen in today's (hopefully) more enlightened times".
The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.
—Bertrand Russell
stufarq wrote:Done. Although I always find it a bit odd that people who were neither involved nor responsible (ie the current government) should have to apologise for something someone else did.
Agreed. It's largely the symbolic value though.
Something like "we acknowledge that the government's treatment of Turing, and indeed of many gay men at that time, was wrong and should not happen in today's (hopefully) more enlightened times".
That would be perfect. Especially if accompanied by the flogging of those who really were responsible. And Jeremy Kyle. Just for fun.
Signed. Why in Britain do we revere some quite shameful imperialistic right wing dicks, yet treats our true heroes with disdain. An official apology from the establishment is long overdue.
WeirdSinisterGhostly wrote:Signed. Why in Britain do we revere some quite shameful imperialistic right wing dicks, yet treats our true heroes with disdain. An official apology from the establishment is long overdue.
Yes.
Minister of Misinformation and Misdirection.
We first met through a shared view
She loved me and I did too
Gordon Brown wrote:Prime Minister: 2009 has been a year of deep reflection – a chance for
Britain, as a nation, to commemorate the profound debts we owe to those who
came before. A unique combination of anniversaries and events have stirred
in us that sense of pride and gratitude which characterise the British
experience. Earlier this year I stood with Presidents Sarkozy and Obama to
honour the service and the sacrifice of the heroes who stormed the beaches
of Normandy 65 years ago. And just last week, we marked the 70 years which
have passed since the British government declared its willingness to take
up arms against Fascism and declared the outbreak of World War Two. So I am
both pleased and proud that, thanks to a coalition of computer scientists,
historians and LGBT activists, we have this year a chance to mark and
celebrate another contribution to Britain’s fight against the darkness of
dictatorship; that of code-breaker Alan Turing.
Turing was a quite brilliant mathematician, most famous for his work on
breaking the German Enigma codes. It is no exaggeration to say that,
without his outstanding contribution, the history of World War Two could
well have been very different. He truly was one of those individuals we can
point to whose unique contribution helped to turn the tide of war. The debt
of gratitude he is owed makes it all the more horrifying, therefore, that
he was treated so inhumanely. In 1952, he was convicted of ‘gross
indecency’ – in effect, tried for being gay. His sentence – and he
was faced with the miserable choice of this or prison - was chemical
castration by a series of injections of female hormones. He took his own
life just two years later.
Thousands of people have come together to demand justice for Alan Turing
and recognition of the appalling way he was treated. While Turing was dealt
with under the law of the time and we can't put the clock back, his
treatment was of course utterly unfair and I am pleased to have the chance
to say how deeply sorry I and we all are for what happened to him. Alan and
the many thousands of other gay men who were convicted as he was convicted
under homophobic laws were treated terribly. Over the years millions more
lived in fear of conviction.
I am proud that those days are gone and that in the last 12 years this
government has done so much to make life fairer and more equal for our LGBT
community. This recognition of Alan’s status as one of Britain’s most
famous victims of homophobia is another step towards equality and long
overdue.
But even more than that, Alan deserves recognition for his contribution to
humankind. For those of us born after 1945, into a Europe which is united,
democratic and at peace, it is hard to imagine that our continent was once
the theatre of mankind’s darkest hour. It is difficult to believe that in
living memory, people could become so consumed by hate – by
anti-Semitism, by homophobia, by xenophobia and other murderous prejudices
– that the gas chambers and crematoria became a piece of the European
landscape as surely as the galleries and universities and concert halls
which had marked out the European civilisation for hundreds of years. It is
thanks to men and women who were totally committed to fighting fascism,
people like Alan Turing, that the horrors of the Holocaust and of total war
are part of Europe’s history and not Europe’s present.
So on behalf of the British government, and all those who live freely
thanks to Alan’s work I am very proud to say: we’re sorry, you deserved
so much better.
Gordon Brown
The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.
—Bertrand Russell
"And when you start to think about death, you start to think about what's after it. And then you start hoping there is a God. For me, it's a frightening thought to go nowhere".
~ Peter Steele
Eat thi Bried, I work in government PR, I ken how these things are put thi'gither
"And when you start to think about death, you start to think about what's after it. And then you start hoping there is a God. For me, it's a frightening thought to go nowhere".
~ Peter Steele
Does it matter? They've given an unreserved apology and a very strong acknowledgement of his importance. They also bothered to send the message to everyone who'd signed the petition. Whatever else you want to criticise Brown and his government for, this time they've done good so let's not p*ss all over it.
Someone on the news was actually complaining that it was pointless because there are no surviving relatives so there's no-one to apologise to. Somewhat missing the point I feel.
Any more of that and we'll be round your front door with the quick-setting whitewash and the shaved monkey.
no it probably doesn't matter, I was just clueing folks in on the fact that words attributed to a public face are in fact written by another, subbed by someone else, passed under the eyes of the actual 'mover & shaker', rewritten - repeat previous steps, then finally spoken by the public face
all the above are singing from the same hymn sheet in the first place, it's policy... or the highway
happy now?
"And when you start to think about death, you start to think about what's after it. And then you start hoping there is a God. For me, it's a frightening thought to go nowhere".
~ Peter Steele
stufarq wrote:complaining that it was pointless because there are no surviving relatives so there's no-one to apologise to. Somewhat missing the point I feel.
As well as being untrue. There's a couple of his nieces still alive IIRC
The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.
—Bertrand Russell
I think Brown did write it. It doesn't come across as something rattled off by a PPS, it seems fairly heartfelt.
I'm feeling a bit sorry for him these days, everything about him seems to scream clinical depression to me. I've lived with someone bipolar for years, I know the signs. Wish I hadn't said so many mean things now!
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