Then again............I do like this:
RIP Malcolm Maclaren
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it's like mh says really... he was similar to tony wilson in that respect.
a nascent uk punk scene was forming, but without him manipulating, pushing, moulding it and generally talking it up in the press and creating controversy it would not have had the impact it did
his mouthy arrogance and bullsh*t made people pay attention, AND THAT WAS THE KEY
you didnt have to like him, you just had to hear him
once he had people's attention, he organised and shaped the band(s) in order to maximise their impact
he may not know his way around a mixing desk but he didnt need to
without his organisation and gift for getting people's backs up, the uk punk scene would have been a bunch of snot-nosed w*nkers making a god-awful racket to a pub full of their mates
it would not have made the transition to major scene and would not have captured the public's imagination in the way t did
the scene (and its faces) would almost certainly not still be around today if it weren't for him raising theit profiles and focussing their energies
i didnt actually like him. but i cannot deny his impact
we may never see his like again
rip malcom.
a nascent uk punk scene was forming, but without him manipulating, pushing, moulding it and generally talking it up in the press and creating controversy it would not have had the impact it did
his mouthy arrogance and bullsh*t made people pay attention, AND THAT WAS THE KEY
you didnt have to like him, you just had to hear him
once he had people's attention, he organised and shaped the band(s) in order to maximise their impact
he may not know his way around a mixing desk but he didnt need to
without his organisation and gift for getting people's backs up, the uk punk scene would have been a bunch of snot-nosed w*nkers making a god-awful racket to a pub full of their mates
it would not have made the transition to major scene and would not have captured the public's imagination in the way t did
the scene (and its faces) would almost certainly not still be around today if it weren't for him raising theit profiles and focussing their energies
i didnt actually like him. but i cannot deny his impact
we may never see his like again
rip malcom.
What’s the difference between a buffalo and a bison?
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it's more than likely that this band and this forum and these friendships would not have existed.
I don't wanna live like I don't mind
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So he's even more of a c**t then
‎"We will wear some very loud shirts. We will wear some very wrong trousers."
without him we problably would never heard about Mr Lydon, nae butters comercial, nea floggin' scum of fine horses.
salut to Mr MM.
salut to Mr MM.
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RIP...
So many gone in the last year...
So many gone in the last year...
as the day is long,
rain from heaven
rain from heaven
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I think that may be stretching it a bit, Suicide, The Ramones, Motorhead, Stooges etc all existed without McClaren having any influence at all.emilystrange wrote:it's more than likely that this band and this forum and these friendships would not have existed.
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Punk would never have been the force it was without him. And without the "punk ethic" of "just pick up a guitar and play", you'd have no post-punk.
And a certain Mr Taylor at the China department of the Foreign Office might occasionally wonder what would have happened if he'd ever started that band he always talked about thirty years ago—when he's not fantasising about early retirement or the new office junior.
*Edit to add: God, I've really depressed myself now!
And a certain Mr Taylor at the China department of the Foreign Office might occasionally wonder what would have happened if he'd ever started that band he always talked about thirty years ago—when he's not fantasising about early retirement or the new office junior.
*Edit to add: God, I've really depressed myself now!
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Exactly what I wanted to say ...moses wrote:I think that may be stretching it a bit, Suicide, The Ramones, Motorhead, Stooges etc all existed without McClaren having any influence at all.emilystrange wrote:it's more than likely that this band and this forum and these friendships would not have existed.
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existence is not everything.
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doesn't matter who's doing what unless the public are prepared to take notice.
it's not a scene without a following. it's just a few mates in bands playing gigs to each other in the local bar...
punk may have existed elsewhere but it wasn't a scene, or a cohesive movement.
malcolm raised eyebrows, publicised the pistols' antics, and made people look out for what they were up to. social & media manipulation. he gave the average british teenager something to rally around. it legitimised and popularised a group of like-minded bands. and he made them slightly better off in the process
it's not a scene without a following. it's just a few mates in bands playing gigs to each other in the local bar...
punk may have existed elsewhere but it wasn't a scene, or a cohesive movement.
malcolm raised eyebrows, publicised the pistols' antics, and made people look out for what they were up to. social & media manipulation. he gave the average british teenager something to rally around. it legitimised and popularised a group of like-minded bands. and he made them slightly better off in the process
What’s the difference between a buffalo and a bison?
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Malcom McLaren: The svengali who created carnage
Tim Jonze wonders if there'll ever be another figure quite so controversial as former Sex Pistols manager Malcolm McLaren
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/video/2 ... en-carnage
Tim Jonze wonders if there'll ever be another figure quite so controversial as former Sex Pistols manager Malcolm McLaren
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/video/2 ... en-carnage
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but the influence it had on so many of us...emilystrange wrote:existence is not everything.
still so sad about the news.
RIP mr. mclaren.
it's all about circles and spirals
that ongoing eternity
that ongoing eternity
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I met him walking along the street in Paris a few years ago. He was extremely pleasant, which took me by surprise as I'd always thought of him as a complete c*nt
Some may say the music industry is in the state it's in because of him as well. Didn't he say he employed people (lawyers?) who cared more about making money than the music and that he was the first to do so. Might have been in The Great Rock n Roll Swindle, could be wrong though.
Currently giving myself a complete headfuck trying to work out how different my life would have been if Mr Taylor had seen through his ambition to join the Foreign Office.markfiend wrote:Punk would never have been the force it was without him. And without the "punk ethic" of "just pick up a guitar and play", you'd have no post-punk.
And a certain Mr Taylor at the China department of the Foreign Office might occasionally wonder what would have happened if he'd ever started that band he always talked about thirty years ago—when he's not fantasising about early retirement or the new office junior.
*Edit to add: God, I've really depressed myself now!
Also wondering how different the world would be in general.
I think I've gone down the wrong leg of the trousers of time.
You are what you drink - I'm a bitter man!
He DEF. had a MASSIVE influence on the Punk Scene and beyond ...
His ideas and artistic imput to 'Punk' were crucial and have influenced our clothes/art/culture through to today.
From what I am aware, he was someone who was very creative but had absolutely NO regard for the Individuals involved.
I went to a thing where Jah Wobble was being interviewed by Jon Savage last year.
Wobble's view was much as I said ; he felt Mclaren treated Lydon terribly (although Wobble was Lydons mate so maybe had a biased view ...).
I am sure McLaren had NO input into The Pistols music/lyrics but am sure he was a catalyst for ideas/events and 'The Great Rock N Roll Swindle' film was his ego gone mad.
He even then Managed Adam And The Ants and sacked Adam ...
His ideas and artistic imput to 'Punk' were crucial and have influenced our clothes/art/culture through to today.
From what I am aware, he was someone who was very creative but had absolutely NO regard for the Individuals involved.
I went to a thing where Jah Wobble was being interviewed by Jon Savage last year.
Wobble's view was much as I said ; he felt Mclaren treated Lydon terribly (although Wobble was Lydons mate so maybe had a biased view ...).
I am sure McLaren had NO input into The Pistols music/lyrics but am sure he was a catalyst for ideas/events and 'The Great Rock N Roll Swindle' film was his ego gone mad.
He even then Managed Adam And The Ants and sacked Adam ...
It's A Black Planet ....
I guess you had to be there.Quiff Boy wrote:it's like mh says really... he was similar to tony wilson in that respect.
a nascent uk punk scene was forming, but without him manipulating, pushing, moulding it and generally talking it up in the press and creating controversy it would not have had the impact it did
his mouthy arrogance and bullsh*t made people pay attention, AND THAT WAS THE KEY
you didnt have to like him, you just had to hear him
once he had people's attention, he organised and shaped the band(s) in order to maximise their impact
he may not know his way around a mixing desk but he didnt need to
without his organisation and gift for getting people's backs up, the uk punk scene would have been a bunch of snot-nosed w*nkers making a god-awful racket to a pub full of their mates
it would not have made the transition to major scene and would not have captured the public's imagination in the way t did
the scene (and its faces) would almost certainly not still be around today if it weren't for him raising theit profiles and focussing their energies
i didnt actually like him. but i cannot deny his impact
we may never see his like again
rip malcom.
And you know that she's half crazy but that's why you want to be there.