How many did tracks The Hussler tax?

reverberater · 02 Dec 2003, 23:06

Just got broadband installed and i've been having a field day lookin at the available tracks on various sites and i couldn't believe the sisters did 'Garden of delight'!

Well, i got it but i don't think it was a good copy coz his voice was awful on it.

I knew he ripped 1969 but i'd no idea how much the sisters had in their catalogue that i didn't know.

Was Serpant's Kiss in the Sisters never released "m*****n Impossible" lp? I thought i was pretty clued up at the time..................how wrong i was

reverberater · 02 Dec 2003, 23:11

Quiffster! You've even put the stars in on Husstlers group too!

U FECKIN RULE!!!!

James Blast · 03 Dec 2003, 00:26

We all have to start somewhere, welcome to the Matrix, Reverberter

biggy · 03 Dec 2003, 02:07

So , yet another thing you're not clued up about then eh !

Padstar · 03 Dec 2003, 07:52

Fine thing a wide interweb.

Paddy.

Karst · 03 Dec 2003, 10:57

Serpents Kiss was never record for the tSoM. However, Craig and Wayne demo'd their material while still under the WEA contract. When it was clear that WEA wasn't interested in releasing it, the manager grabbed the tapes and released them through Chapter 22. Eldritch by that stage was well under way with his Sisterhood project. While Craig and Wayne got a good bit of publicity by using the name, Andrew got the publishing deal that was tied around the WEA contract. In the end it worked out worst for Andrew IMHO. Yes, he got the dosh and the name, but also a cr*p contract with WEA that took him a while to break open. Wayne and Craig signed a 7 album deal for approx. 1 million with Phonogram which they fulfillled while having a serious amount of fun in the meantime.

mh · 03 Dec 2003, 11:25

Didn't the Sisters do an instrumental demo? There was Garden of Delight alright (two versions, with W***e and Von singing), and a version of Black Planet with W***e singing various lyrics that sound like they were made up on the spot, but subsequently ended up in a number of M*****n "songs".

Karst · 03 Dec 2003, 12:03

There is an instrumental demo which probably originates from the Slaughterhouse studio sessions. It has no vocals as Wayne and Craig hadn't decided yet who would sing on it. WEA actually suggested a number of vocalist - among them Peter Burns. There is also a version of Black Planet which has Dance on Glass lyrics sung over it by Wayne. He had already recorded a version of that song for a '81 Liverpool release. A re-recorded version of that appeared on 'God's OWn Medicine'.

khepri II · 03 Dec 2003, 13:43

Karst wrote:Serpents Kiss was never record for the tSoM. However, Craig and Wayne demo'd their material while still under the WEA contract. When it was clear that WEA wasn't interested in releasing it, the manager grabbed the tapes and released them through Chapter 22. Eldritch by that stage was well under way with his Sisterhood project. While Craig and Wayne got a good bit of publicity by using the name, Andrew got the publishing deal that was tied around the WEA contract. In the end it worked out worst for Andrew IMHO. Yes, he got the dosh and the name, but also a cr*p contract with WEA that took him a while to break open. Wayne and Craig signed a 7 album deal for approx. 1 million with Phonogram which they fulfillled while having a serious amount of fun in the meantime.

.......was converting the last ever Sisterhood show last night. Halfway through, he says "by the way we're not called the Sisterhood any more. We're now called The m*****n"

Karst · 03 Dec 2003, 14:05

There were actually three gigs in the UK that were billed as such.

27th of February - Electric Ballroom
1st of March - Leeds University
2nd of March - Birmingham Powerhouse

Eldritch got the Leeds gig cancelled.

03 Dec 2003, 14:07

what material were they touring with as the sisterhood? sisters/falaa stuff? or pre-mish demos/1st chapter stuff?

MrChris · 03 Dec 2003, 14:21

While Craig and Wayne got a good bit of publicity by using the name, Andrew got the publishing deal that was tied around the WEA contract. In the end it worked out worst for Andrew IMHO. Yes, he got the dosh and the name, but also a cr*p contract with WEA that took him a while to break open. Wayne and Craig signed a 7 album deal for approx. 1 million with Phonogram which they fulfillled while having a serious amount of fun in the meantime.[/quote]

You know what? That had honestly never crossed my mind

. And you know what else? I think you're right!

I always swallowed the party line that Eldo was the winner, and that the 2-5-0-0-0 was a huge one over on the Mish. You have changed the way I think about all of this today.

Maybe that skinny pale guy

is not as clever as he would have us think. Ta, anyway.

Scardwel · 03 Dec 2003, 14:23

I have a boot of the Electric Ballroom gig - no Sisters material was played, but they did play the early Mish stuff like Garden Of Delight, Serpents Kiss, Sacriledge, Wasteland, And The Dance Goes On, Bridges Burning etc along with covers of Like A Hurricane, 1969 (I think) and Wishing Well.

Karst · 03 Dec 2003, 14:30

No tracks from any release of their previous employer, however, Shelter from the Storm does have a 'Marian" segment. And '1969' was obviously features in the Sisters setlists. Not that there wasn't any calls for 'Temple of Love'.

27-02-â€™86
Camden Electric Ballroom, London

Intro/Wasteland/And Dance Goes On/Garden of Delight/Like a Hurricane/Severina/ Serpents Kiss/Stay With Me/1969/Bridges Burning/Sacrilege/Wishing Well/Shelter from the Storm*
* feat. Ian Astbury & Billy Duffy

mh · 03 Dec 2003, 14:40

While W***e and Craig may have come out better financially, Von has his credibility and is even - whisper it - more respected in the industry. Sales and spondoolix do not maketh the band.

MrChris · 03 Dec 2003, 14:53

Errr, respected in the industry before or after he staged a very lengthy strike from his record label? I agree that he has oodles more artistic credibility, but he had that anyway, regardless. I really don't know if he would win any polls of 'artists record company executives would most like to work with', though, and I suspect this may be contributing to his current problems...

mh · 03 Dec 2003, 15:14

Aww, I don't mean among record companies. An example - have a look at Q's top 1001 songs special, they're in there among the "80s top 10".

MrChris · 03 Dec 2003, 15:57

Heee, I see the bright light of reason shining into my dusty skull. Agreed, then. But I do still think that the WEA debacle did nothing to help that respect from fellow artists, and not releasing anything for a long time didn't help either. So perhaps he still would have been better off in the m*****n's Polydor shoes?

Karst · 03 Dec 2003, 16:08

Suppose it really depends on your point of view. Of course The Sisters of Mercy as a brand is very recognisable with a long standing reputation. The latter is obviously a little fraught. Not in the least due to the conflicting g*th tag. Wayne's perspective has always been different on that. He readily admits that that is part of his past and that his lyrical talents are somewhat limited. In the end Wayne wanted to be a popstar while Andrew wanted the credit he desrved. There probably is an argument that neither got what they were really after due to various reasons.

MrChris · 03 Dec 2003, 16:12

Aye, 'spect so.

Big Si · 04 Dec 2003, 14:36

Karst wrote:There is an instrumental demo which probably originates from the Slaughterhouse studio sessions. It has no vocals as Wayne and Craig hadn't decided yet who would sing on it. WEA actually suggested a number of vocalist - among them Peter Burns. There is also a version of Black Planet which has Dance on Glass lyrics sung over it by Wayne. He had already recorded a version of that song for a '81 Liverpool release. A re-recorded version of that appeared on 'God's OWn Medicine'.

For anyone that's interested, W***e's guitar riff on Wasteland is the same as Craig's Bass line on Marian!

pikkrong · 04 Dec 2003, 20:24

Magazine "Side-Line" #30 January / February / March 2000

An interview with That Guitarist (after releasing The m*****n's compilation "Resurrection").

Question: "On the new version of "Wasteland", why the joke of "Marianne" (not my misprint - pikkrong)? (The re-vamped version of "Wasteland" contains bits form this Sisters of Mercy classic tune)"

Answer: "Why not? Who gives a s**t if Andrew is going to be pissed off, if he doesn't have any sense of humour left, that's his problem. It's meant to be funny, you know. I wrote the music for both "Marianne" (again - pikkrong

) and "Wasteland" and they are quite similar songs when you listen to them. It's just a little joke. Okay, Andrew didn't like the idea of the Sisterhood either, but who gives a s**t!" (laughs)

reverberater · 04 Dec 2003, 22:48

Interesting reading guy's

Big Si · 04 Dec 2003, 23:02

Karst wrote:Serpents Kiss was never record for the tSoM. However, Craig and Wayne demo'd their material while still under the WEA contract. When it was clear that WEA wasn't interested in releasing it, the manager grabbed the tapes and released them through Chapter 22. Eldritch by that stage was well under way with his Sisterhood project. While Craig and Wayne got a good bit of publicity by using the name, Andrew got the publishing deal that was tied around the WEA contract. In the end it worked out worst for Andrew IMHO. Yes, he got the dosh and the name, but also a cr*p contract with WEA that took him a while to break open. Wayne and Craig signed a 7 album deal for approx. 1 million with Phonogram which they fulfillled while having a serious amount of fun in the meantime.

But what about the "Victims of Circumstance" tape that appeared in 1984? Was it only later copies that featured the instrumental of "Serpent's Kiss"? Andrew "Heartland Anthologies" Pinnel mentions it in his review! Does anyone have an original 1984 tape with it featured

Angelchild · 04 Dec 2003, 23:04

And the end of "Into The Blue" being lifted from the end of "Walk Away"?
Very similar indeed!