Three articles about The Sisters (Eldritch alone I presume?) getting support bands kicked off festival line-ups:
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Article 1:
I've seen Andrew Eldritch as a blond wearing a Motorhead T-shirt and covering Pink Floyd. I can die now.
We reached the Electric Factory in Philadelphia somewhere in the middle of Tapping the Vein's set. They were technically decent if uninteresting, with a singer who sounded like Pat Benatar.
The 3600 capacity venue had sold out for the first Sisters of Mercy performance in the U.S. since 1991 and their only North American stop on their current tour. The Factory (which was reminiscent of a large high school gym) was packed to the rafters, and the line for Sisters of Mercy merchandise stretched halfway across the room.
People were wandering around in T-shirts that said "Sad Old Goth" or "Jesus Loves the Sisters." More than a few were wearing Sunshine Blind T-shirts, a silent protest on behalf of one of the two opening bands who were unceremoniously dumped from the bill by Eldritch five days before. According to representatives for Sunshine Blind and The New Creatures (the other band who were dropped from the bill), the opening bands had to pay for the advertising for the show as a condition of their performance, and were dropped once the advertising was done. The New Creatures' drummer, Tiger Kern, is suing, according to MTV news (http://www.mtv.com/news/headlines/970627/story7.html).
As the story goes, Eldritch had approved the bands based on their music, but claims to have had difficulty procuring photographs of the bands from the show's promoter, Patrick Rodgers of Dancing Ferret Productions. A week before the show, Eldritch went online to try to find images of the bands. Based on the photographs he found on the Sunshine Blind website (http://www.pitt.edu/~amkst38/Sunshine.htm) and The New Creatures website (http://members.wbs.net/homepages/t/h/e/ ... tures.html), Eldritch determined that they looked "too goth" and insisted they be removed from the bill.
Rumor has it that Eldritch also thought that the photos on my Switchblade Symphony page were too goth as well, but that some sort of "compromise" was reached to allow Switchblade Symphony to play. The New Creatures, a dark rock outfit from New York City, were replaced by Philadelphia's Tapping the Vein, while Sunshine Blind were replaced by their Energy Records labelmates, metal-industrialists Heavy Water Factory.
According to members of The New Creatures, when Rodgers asked Eldritch how the two jettisoned bands could be compensated, Eldritch replied, "Put their heads on f**king pikes in front of the venue!" Eldritch has reportedly said "I hate g*th and g*ths, and anything to do with the scene," and wishes to be referred to as an "industrial alternative" act.
Many people in the crowd seemed well aware of the situation. In the ladies' room, flyers for a Chicago-based promotion company stated flatly, "Industrial alternative? f**k off, Andrew Eldritch. Goths are doing it for themselves."
The audience was, of course, overwhelmingly gothic-looking. Probably less than one out of every ten people were lacking in an item of flowing black clothing, heavy eyeliner, or some other accoutrement that marked them as gothic. In general, they were not pleased with the choice of the metalesque Heavy Water Factory as an opener. When HWF announced that they were about to play their last song, the statement was greeted with applause.
Switchblade Symphony, the current darlings of the gothic world, were greeted with more enthusiasm. "Wow," said singer Tina, looking out over the crowd. "There are so many of you." Guitarist George Earth snapped a picture of the packed hall as a memento.
They seemed a bit nervous; it was almost certainly the largest crowd for whom they've performed as a band. They played the short set that was characteristic of their just-completed headlining tour. "Dollhouse" and "Dissolve" from their album "Serpentine Gallery" were represented. Tina also announced their hit "Clown," but there was apparently technical difficulty, because she then announced a replacement. They did several songs from their upcoming album, which Tina said would be released in August. George was quick to correct her, though. "September," she amended.
Unfortunately, the sound was all-too obviously calibrated for The Sisters of Mercy. Switchblade Symphony's drums and guitar were way too high in the mix, and their vocals and keyboards were too low. The overall effect was a somewhat muddy sound, with less apparent differentiation between songs than they usually display.
Still, Tina kept her bravado, slipping into her demented school-girl marching in place with confidence, and George was energetic and jumping around the stage.
DJ Shock filled in the time between sets with fairly standard goth club music (Love and Rockets, Machines of Loving Grace, Lush, Sinead O'Connor's "I Am Stretched on Your Grave") but also treated the crowd to a sneak preview of an unreleased track from Xymox's upcoming new album.
The Sisters of Mercy had a long intro, of course, as the stage began to fill with smoke. Andy and his guitarist and bassist came out to deafening applause and launched into "Vision Thing." Andrew had short blond hair and was wearing his trademark shades (although they've evolved from classic, squarish black to round and purplish) and a jacket. The overall effect was reminiscent of David Bowie.
His voice was extremely gravely as he sang "25 whores in the room next door. 25 floors and I need more." I think that for a split second we were all afraid that we'd been duped; that this man before us who was reportedly claiming $30,000 for this appearance was an aging ruin, a mere shadow trying to cash in on past glories before passing into obscurity. And then he cleared his throat.
The thrill hit. So many of us had never seen him before; he hadn't seemed real. When hearing that all-too familiar voice merged with seeing this man on stage, the rush came. Yes, this *was* worth twelve hours in a car and a total of $80. So many others spent so much more. Sisters of Mercy tattoos adorned backs and legs and shoulders throughout the hall. For many of us, this was the holy grail of concerts, and we knew it.
The lights were stunning. A wall of dozens of individual sweeping lights towered behind the band, programmed specifically for each song. "One thousand points of light," Andrew sang, and thin white beams flashed around wildly. "One blinding flash of sense," and bright white lit up the whole crowd.
"Ribbons" was next, and the lights were red, like flowers on a razor wire, with a little bit of purple light crashing out of them. Watching the crowd was exhilarating, too. All those rows and rows and rows of bodies swathed in black, with white faces bathed in blood red light.
We were goths, overwhelmingly and undeniably. And so was he. When he took off his jacket to reveal a Motorhead T-shirt, he was dressed in head-to-toe black topped by bleached-white hair. His voice was the voice of Andrew Eldritch, the impossibly deep bass with a hint of tears that has inspired so many imitators. He emoted dramatically and passionately, crouching about the stage at times. He still sang about black winds calling his name no more. Smoke was everywhere. He performed some new songs, but they could easily have appeared on his album "Vision Thing," and any desire to be known as "industrial alternative" has not changed his music.
"We are the Sisters of Mercy," he said. "And we are a rock and roll band." Whatever he wants to call himself, we are still his children. Bands like Sunshine Blind and the New Creatures exist because of the musical climate that he helped to create. Many of us look like we do because of fashion ideals that have trickled down from him, and from his former bassist, Patricia Morrison.
He can hate us if he wants, but he shares our blood. When all is said and done, "goth" is simply the label that has been applied to people who sound or look like him or share the aesthetic he has and does promote. And he has turned against us. "This is from my new album on Cleopatra Records," he said. "It's called Butt-f**ked. Yeah, RIGHT! But *you'd* probably believe that."
The set included "Temple of Love," "The Giving Ground," "Under the Gun," "Flood," "Alice" and "Detonation Boulevard." There were two encores. He thanked us before leaving the stage, and bowed deeply each time applause called him back. He performed "Comfortably Numb" by Pink Floyd, seguing it into his own "Some Kind of Stranger." He did "Something Fast." And he ended with "This Corrosion." The audience chimed in with "Hey now, hey now, hey now, sing this corrosion to me." The second time, he cued us.
It hurts to know that he won't accept what we have created from his cues. The next day, the road back to Pittsburgh was littered with carloads full of goths. Every other rest stop was inhabited by others with long black hair or gothic rock T-shirts. It was stunningly self-evident that we were all returning from the same pilgrimage. No one dressed as we were could possibly dream of driving on this highway in large groups for any other purpose. We started right in with "Where are you from," or "What did you think?"
We came all the way from Detroit, from rural Ohio, from Canada. It's hard to keep from loving the man who raised you. Even when you've been disowned.
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Article 2:
Open Letter From Sunshine Blind
“So ya, thought ya, might like to, go to the show...
To feel the warm thrill of confusion, that space cadet glow...
I've got some bad news for you SUNSHINE...� - Pink Floyd
“Thou shall not worship false GOTHS...� - CHQ
As usual, some details of what has happened have been twisted by the “telephone wire� effect of people repeating them. I (Caroline Blind) would like to put down the facts as I know them.
On June 11th, after days of false rumors and waiting, we were told by Patrick Rodgers of Dancing Ferret Concerts that our music had been submitted and finally approved and finally approved by the Sisters of Mercy Camp. We were to be one of three bands opening. With the official word of the Promoter, we made plans to be there. We would have to drive straight from San Francisco to Philadelphia, because we had a show in San Jose on the 21st, and the festival (Yes, festival festival, not “Sisters Show�) fell on the 28th of June. Even though we have been on the road since April 12th, we couldn't turn down the opportunity, and we all made arrangements to be on the road for at least another 3 weeks.
Our record company, Energy Records, spent a nice chunk of change on advertising the show with our name in the ad.
We left San Francisco on Sunday, June 22, and started driving.
On Monday, we were in Salt Lake City, and I called Energy to check in, as I do everyday on the road. I was told there was a problem and to call Patrick Rodgers. I called Patrick and he told me the following:
One June 22, only eleven days after confirming our music, Andrew Eldritch saw a picture of us on the Internet, and immediately had us pulled, along with New York band the New Creatures, off the bill, claiming we looked looked too goth goth, and he isn't having anything to do with Goth any more. He was quite adamant about this, and I learned from other people that he made references like that he would weed everyone of “them� out of his audience if he could, and something to the effect that he would rather see us beheaded than play a show with us.
Pleasantries coming from a man we've never met. I'm glad his book was never judged by the cover...
I asked Patrick R. what was to be done. He said there was nothing. Patrick offered to have us modify our musical choices, but the problem was not in the music, our musics were fine. Patrick offered to have us modify our clothing choices, but it was unacceptable. These two bands were off. (Note: not that we really really would have changed our music or dress for him!!!)
I will add here, that some of you think Switchblade Symphony were cut as well. switchblade symphony has not switchblade symphony has not been cut from the bill. they will be opening this show. been cut from the bill. they will be opening this show.
In trying to compensate Energy records for their loss of advertising money, Patrick Rodgers agreed to submit other bands from Energy records to fill our spot. Hanzel and Gretyl were submitted, and rejected and rejected outright by MR. Eldritch, but another Energy band, Heavy Water Factory Heavy Water Factory has been approved. Heavy Water Factory IS not not SunShine Blind under an assumed name, but that's a good idea...)
So the final final (we hope) line up for the show will be:
Tapping the Vein (Doesn't sound like a goth band at all...)
Heavy Water Factory
Switchblade Symphony
Sisters Of Mercy
That's all. We drove home from Salt Lake City, 400 gallons of gas for nothing. Had he just rejected us outright, we could have just stayed home...I wish we had, it's been a long time since we've been here, and as we sit on Ocean Beach here in San Francisco, with our feet in the surf, we know we are as far as you can get on dry land away from that Bitter Godfather of Goth.
Our consolation? That John Paul will have an easier time shedding his title as Pope than Andrew Eldritch will ever have shedding his title as “goth goth.� Especially as long as he keeps the name “Sisters of Mercy.� If he wants a new direction, give up the Sisters songs, the Sisters name, and start anew. Retire the Sisters gracefully. Change your name back to Andrew Taylor, and skip the assumed “Eldritch.�
By being shallow and pretentious, you reinforce the prima donna goth stereotype; you are so deliciously goth when you are catty, baby.
Finally, my advice to those of you who care is not to not to tear up your ticket. Patrick Rodgers did everything in his everything in his power power to put this show on, and now he is going to have to make some restitution, so he'll need the money.
Go to the show Go to the show, Darlings, and make sure you wear the finest finest and most over the top over the top Goth garb your wardrobes can muster when you go, so when Andy looks out over the audience, he sees a group dressed as black as his gothic black heart.
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Article 3:
A Too Gothic Interview
by Marcus Pan
Exclusive interviews with Dancing Ferret Concerts, SunShine Blind and The New Creatures following the Sisters of Mercy controversy at Dark Harvest III.
PAN: Eldritch approved you two bands based on the music, but disapproved you based solely on your look. If given the chance, would SunShine Blind and/or New Creatures have changed their look to play DHIII?
Caroline (SunShine Blind): Absolutely not. Judging someone on their clothes and makeup is a crime of the highest sense, no matter what your neuroses. Had he expressed his wishes as a suggestion, I may have toned down my look out of courtesy or compassion, but we don't respond well to people trying to change things out of force of their will.
Once a long time ago, this record company sent us a contract to negotiate, and while it didn't say in writing they asked us if we could dye our hair black, because they catered mostly to a goth crowd!!! Of course we could, and have many times since, but we never would just because they asked us to! Needless to say we didn't sign with them (although I hear the New Creatures may be about to) - we have changed our image a few times, but always to suit our moods, no one else's.
Mark (The New Creatures): Yes. I would have done everything in my power to make my band look as Goth as possible. It's funny; there are Goths in NYC who stopped coming to see The New Creatures (before this incident) because we didn't look goth enough!
When I look at the photo of the band that we have on our webpage and then look at the "FLOODLAND" photo's I think that it's an utterly ridiculous basis for Eldritch's actions. Judging us by our music is the test, and we passed it.
PAN: It is common knowledge that in order to play the event, some of the advertising and promotional costs had to be paid by opening acts. And I understand SunShine Blind and The New Creatures were cut only after advertising expenses were paid. Has any restitution been made to you, or your labels, to cover the advertising costs you paid?
Patrick Rodgers (Dancing Ferret Concerts): I'll let SB and TNC answer as to the restitution question, but your question is misleading. It was never a requirement that opening bands buy ads. Anyone who wanted to be considered as an opener was asked to submit a promotional plan which was considered along with music, name value, style, etc.
Caroline: As I understand it, Dancing Ferret tried to make up for Energy Records' losses by replacing us with one of our label-mates on the bill, which he did. As for ourselves, because we know Patrick Rodgers and he is a good friend of ours, and we have such a close knit GOTH SCENE bond with each other, he felt obligated to reimburse us for our out of pocket expenses, and he did. We have talked at length about the whole situation and we will be happy to work with Dancing Ferret again in the future, partly because we have a good working history with him in the past and because we know that he had to make a decision and he did, business is business, but he went out of his way to make restitution; so we know he takes care of his bands.
Mark: In a letter Patrick Rodgers wrote me after the cancellation, he stated that paying for advertising was "one of many factors" that was required of us to get the gig. Lately, he's been saying that paying for advertising was not a stipulation of playing the show. I'm telling you that he told us it was required-that, "How much advertising you buy will be just as important as your music." I don't have a problem with that. I just don't want people to be misled into thinking that I made that up because of "sour grapes" or whatever.
Now, I can only theorize that Patrick is changing his original story because Maybe it wasn't The Sister's requirement, maybe it was Dancing Ferret's requirement to run advertising, and they were trying to (quietly) get a break on the amount of money they were already shelling out by recouping some of it from the opening bands.
Again, I never had a problem paying for the advertising. I was willing to do whatever it took to play that show. In fact I never considered it an issue to debate. I just don't like the inference that I am a liar, or concocting stories. My disgust came from the fact that Andrew waited until after the advertisement ran to cut loose the bands!
Patrick is the only one who can clear up the advertising mystery, but I have a letter that he faxed to me reiterating our telephone conversation in which we discussed which ads in which newspapers were required to run.
Metropolis has cut us a check to pay for our advertising, but we are still waiting for reimbursement for our postage (mailing list). I'm sure it's on its way though.
PAN: Were any of you fans of SoM music before this happened? If so, has this in any way changed your feelings surrounding Sisters of Mercy music?
Patrick Rodgers: Well, I didn't enjoy the show as much as I should have. I was indeed a huge SOM fan. Now...I don't know. I've always had trouble separating the artist from the music, which in my line of work is a bad problem to have. Someone said to me that when an artist releases their music, it takes a life of its own and ceases to belong to them. I'd like to think that maybe I'll be able to listen to TSOM without thinking of the raw deal that my friends received.
Caroline: No, never heard of them. Just kidding. Of course we were fans, every reviewer who hears our music can't help writing how we sound just like them (except for my vocals of course..) Sure, we own full collections on vinyl of all our goth and punk and metal faves. We have Sisters' stuff. CWHK had a tape he made of Sisters stuff that we had in the RV with us as we were driving home. It was well over 10 years old. We pulled over in the Salt Flats of Utah and got out, and with a crowbar we smashed it to bits and pulled all the guts out and threw them around. We picked up the pieces and then kept on driving.
As for the music, I believe that once you release music on vinyl or CD for sale and distribution, it's no longer yours. Those songs are goth anthems, they belong to the goths. As for the man, he, like all of us will eventually die, and his protests will be forgotten. His music will always be goth's rock, like it or not, there's nothing he can do about it. HA!
Mark: Oh Yeah! All of TNC's love SOM; that was one of the reasons we were so excited! I can't say that this event has changed my opinion of the music, just the man who made the music. However, I don't seem to currently want to listen to SOM.
PAN: Do you feel the cutting at Dark Harvest III has in any way affected your careers in the music or promotion business and how so?
Patrick Rodgers: Well, it was definitely a learning experience, to say the least. The cutting itself generated so much attention that our web site took record hits (over 4,000 in a day at one point) and MTV news even ran a story on the cuts. I never thought I'd hear Kurt Loder say the words "Dark Harvest."
Caroline: We got wagonloads of press about it, spots on MTV news, and still, I've done lots of interviews since then. People are still finding out about it. It had been a good thing, promotion-wise; it got people talking about us, so it's good in that respect. It's a golden nugget in our press kit.
Mark: I've had a lot of people say, "Wow! How cool that you've gotten all this press of what happened! You were on MTV!" My point is that we had to take the lemons we were handed and make lemonade.
The other side of this is what might have happened if we played this show. Look at it this way--the possible public perception is that something is wrong with The New Creatures and Sunshine Blind because they were dropped from the show! Why was Switchblade Symphony appropriate and not us? (I assume they must have threatened legal action.) How many CD's and T-shirts would we have sold? How many new fans would we have gotten that would have told who knows how many friends? What press would have reviewed us? I know that at least one label was there to check us out in regard to signing our band.
At first this really depressed us. Then we got a burst of determination. I think the great amount of public support was responsible for that.
PAN: If given the chance at another tour or festival, would you consider sharing the stage with the SoM or would you bow out?
Caroline: I would play, why shouldn't I? At least WE have a new album out to support! His fans should be ours, if he doesn't want them, then we will take them. I would just make sure that there was no way we could be cancelled while on our way there, like last time. He'd probably like us if he ever got the chance to see us, but noooooooooo. I would have gone to the show in Philly to meet him, if I could have, to look him in the sunglasses and ask him how he sleeps at night. If there was any way I could have made it, I would have been there, but with the withdrawal of the money, we were left flat and we turned around and went home.
Mark: We would play if the situation was "friendly" to us and all fans. I would definitely play another Dancing Ferret event. I believe Patrick to be one of the best and important promoters in this scene.
PAN: How did the Sisters of Mercy get invited and how did they end up "taking control" of Dark Harvest III?
Patrick Rodgers: TSOM were invited in early '96 to play Dark Harvest II. We weren't able to work that out with them, but we did get them interested in DH3. Unfortunately, due to their schedule, the only time they could play was during the summer, so we settled on 4th of July weekend...which didn't work out for them. Finally, in mid/late May, we confirmed everything, giving us six weeks to put together the largest show of its kind in America. Talk about pressure...
As for control, the problem came from the fact that TSOM were really the big name headline draw. I mean no disrespect to the support acts here (nearly 400 people came to see Switchblade, Sunshine, Advent Sleep, and Tapping The Vein just six weeks ago, and TNC are rapidly making a name for themselves in Philly), but 3,500 people from as far away as Hawaii and Puerto Rico do not pay $29.75 a ticket to come to Philly to see them. No Sisters equals no show. Public opinion of Eldritch is that he's very temperamental, and bearing that in mind, we had no desire to alienate him to the point that he'd walk away from the show. Their contract rider says they get to approve support - their agent assured us that it would be taken care of quickly and easily Stateside - which, of course, it wasn't.
Having said that, let it be noted that we went the distance with AE to try and sort out the opening acts. Nobody was more heartbroken than I was over the situation and having to call Caroline and Mark was like calling someone to tell them their son had died. In the end, our ultimate responsibility was to make sure that the show happened.
Caroline: Ask Patrick Ferret.
Mark: Patrick? did you lose control?
PAN: If Eldritch believes that SoM is a rock 'n roll outfit, why did he agree to perform at Dark Harvest III, an obviously gothic/industrial related event?
Patrick Rodgers: This puzzles me as well. AE is very 'net savvy - he's probably reading this interview - so I know he must have seen the DFC site. He knows what kind of bands we work with. He must know who's appeared at previous DH festivals. Of course, in the end, he played with a lineup of bands that didn't offend his sense of what is goth vs. what isn't. Which still puzzles me. He rejected Bile as a proposed support band because they were also too gothic. Bile?? I guess goth is in the eye of the beholder.
Caroline: Ask Andrew Eldritch. I can guess. THE CASH. I'd play the Kool Jazz Festival for that much!
Mark: I think he'll take anyone's money. I believe this all to be a power trip from someone trying to generate controversy. I know that there are drug addicts that often act in such a fashion.
PAN: Is it true that Eldritch stated something to the effect of "put their heads on f**king pikes in front of the venue" or anything along those lines in response to being questioned about restitution for the cut bands? Anything else of interest he might have said?
Patrick Rodgers: No comment.
Mark: This is what Patrick told me and he added that it was a direct quote from Andrew Eldritch.
PAN: Will Patrick Rodgers ever consider working with the SoM again?
Patrick Rodgers: Well, now we know what to expect. I'd say it would depend on the circumstances.
PAN: Your music seemed fine to Eldritch, but your dress was "too goth." What do you feel your music is? If you were asked to describe your music, how would you do so? Or if you were asked to describe what kind of scene your concerts promote, how would you do so?
Patrick Rodgers: We promote gothic and industrial concerts. We always have (except for a few brief, ill-considered forays into metal) and we always will. Eventually, when the funding exists, I wouldn't mind branching out into a few other categories once in a blue moon. I love traditional Irish music and would kill any five people to do a show with The Dubliners. I chased October Project for quite a while as well but there were some politics involved and we never got to do anything with them before they disbanded. Despite past failures with metal shows, I'd like to do Manowar one of these days as well.
I don't understand the whole problem with these terms. Sure, every musician wants to give the pretentious artsy answer: "Our music transcends labels, man." The fact is, labels are a useful thing. Imagine going to visit an Internet friend and asking where he lives. "Well, I don't really want to say what state I live in as people tend to have preconceived notions about it. Just drive 'til you find me." An intelligent person understands that music genre labels aren't a precise street address, they're an approximation. They serve to give people a rough, approximate idea in one sentence or less about what something sounds like. How many rappers do you know who say "I'm not a hip-hop artist?" Better yet, imagine Pavoratti saying: "I don't like to be called a tenor. My vocals transcend labels."
Having said that, what's wrong with the gothic and industrial genres? Why are people so afraid to say, "yes, we're a goth band." It may not be the Big Thing now, but bide your time. Our day will come, and soon.
Caroline: I feel our music is rock actually, and goth rock specifically, because GOTH is the uniform that we SPECIFICALLY and DELIBERATELY chose to represent ourselves in. Goth is one of the last underground musics here in the U.S.. Goths are the people I like to surround myself with, the clubs I like to go to, and the audiences I like to see at our shows. If we reach other people and they come in, that's fine, but I'm not going to go on stage in a flannel shirt like Alanis Morrisette or someone and try to make people listen to my music because I dress like them!!! Our music has plenty of crossover appeal, and plenty of people who aren't goths like it, no matter what we dress like. If people don't like our music because they saw a picture of us and we look goth, then they are just closed minded assholes. (Case in point. At least he hates us for the right reasons.)
Mark: Why, we're a Rock And Roll band! Just like Sisters Of Mercy!
PAN: What's next for each of you, in the way of labels (I understand New Creatures has a surprise regarding this), concerts (any other shows for Patrick Rodgers coming up) or tours (I understand SunShine Blind will be at Whitby U.K. this year)?
Patrick Rodgers: We're taking a much-needed vacation at present. We plan to return with shows in early August, and of course we'll be doing an event for Halloween this year. Dark Harvest returns to its regular October time slot in '98. We'll probably revamp the web site soon and will likely begin looking for a new home for The Haven as well.
We can be seen on the Internet at http://www.ferret.com and we're keeping the (215) SISTERS number as our general DFC info line.
Caroline: We are currently working on writing music for our next album. We have been very excited about some new ideas we've had since before we left on tour 3 months ago. Now SUDDENLY left with a lot of free time, we are exploring writing some things and getting them down.
Whitby and a few other European shows are all we have planned right now, but I can't see us staying home all year; keep your eyes open, we may be around in the fall.
Mark: We are actually discussing quite a few things right now with our focus being on greater distribution and touring, I wish I could say more now, but I can't
I'd just like to finish by saying that people really missed out based on the reviews I've seen, and the general consensus that all of the opening acts had their sound sabotaged (another AE move?). And Andrew hurt himself with this kind of grandstanding crap by turning off the very people who have supported him all these years.
I have no harsh feelings towards Dancing Ferret or Metropolis and believe that they were, to a degree, victims of the "Mad King" as well. Patrick's a good guy, and I'm sure that our friendship will continue to grow. I do wish they would have stood up to him for everyone's sake, but I also understand the difficult position they were in. Many stood to lose in this scene.
I also wish that Patrick followed through with his initial promise to foreword emails of protest to Sisters Of Mercy. I think AE needs to know what the people think-that protecting him and shielding him helps no-one.
I'd like to put forth this commentary to Andrew Eldritch:
Andrew, I believe you to be a turd who should step aside if you're too afraid of the competition. How dare you insist that you not be classified and then turn around and classify two excellent bands based on their look, and potentially hurt their careers. They say a trapped animal who knows it's going to die will fight and flail the hardest, because it knows it has nothing to lose. Andrew, why don't you just chew your own leg off to escape your trap and drag your tired old carcass off into the woods to rot. You haven't contributed anything to this scene in years anyway. Go rule your lonely kingdom in silence and leave the rest of us alone. (God, I sound like a professional wrestler!) I know that there are people who will blindly eat your s**t and ask for "more please." I have no time for them or you. Your death throws got you on MTV Music News...very nice...NEXT!!!
Marcus-Thank you for the forum.
(Originally printed in Legends No. #70.)
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I'm shocked these bands even formed in the first place.
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Does nobody take these comments with a huge heaping of salt? Easy to bash a headliner without knowing what really went on
You still think swastikas look cool
The real nazis run your schools
They're coaches, businessmen and cops
In a real fourth reich you'll be the first to go
The real nazis run your schools
They're coaches, businessmen and cops
In a real fourth reich you'll be the first to go
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I do.
I made it through the first two articles.
My eyes were already glazing over by the end of the second.
Really, it's more than I wanted to know about the guy.
I've never even heard of the bands that got jilted,
or supposedly got jilted on that fateful day.
It doesn't really matter, either way.
It doesn't matter to me if Mr. Eldritch is an asshole or the nicest guy ever.
It doesn't matter if he spends his time jacked up on drugs
or playing baseball with war orphans.
When I'm getting dressed to go out, I'm going to put on Floodlands.
When I'm butthurt over something, Sisterhood.
When I'm moping over a lost love, First, Last & Always.
Roadtrips: Some Girls Wander.
Ganked up on drugs: Vision Thing.
I may be the odd man out, here,
but his behavior doesn't disappoint or encourage me.
His music, or the lack thereof, does.
That's what matters to me.
/endrant
I made it through the first two articles.
My eyes were already glazing over by the end of the second.
Really, it's more than I wanted to know about the guy.
I've never even heard of the bands that got jilted,
or supposedly got jilted on that fateful day.
It doesn't really matter, either way.
It doesn't matter to me if Mr. Eldritch is an asshole or the nicest guy ever.
It doesn't matter if he spends his time jacked up on drugs
or playing baseball with war orphans.
When I'm getting dressed to go out, I'm going to put on Floodlands.
When I'm butthurt over something, Sisterhood.
When I'm moping over a lost love, First, Last & Always.
Roadtrips: Some Girls Wander.
Ganked up on drugs: Vision Thing.
I may be the odd man out, here,
but his behavior doesn't disappoint or encourage me.
His music, or the lack thereof, does.
That's what matters to me.
/endrant
...and some of us wandered off entirely on purpose.
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A long time ago that this happened ...
Don't know how this really came to effect ...
Though, destruction causes destruction, mostly ... and at times unavoidably so ... ...
Very bad luck if one is just in the wrong place when s**t happens ...
And you can be sure I know that's easy words. But still ... we're all human.
Saying this, I feel it might sound like cynical joking to all sides of this misery ...
Sorry for the pain on all sides involved ... ...
Thank you for posting, anyway, dear Jaw.
Don't know how this really came to effect ...
Though, destruction causes destruction, mostly ... and at times unavoidably so ... ...
Very bad luck if one is just in the wrong place when s**t happens ...
And you can be sure I know that's easy words. But still ... we're all human.
Saying this, I feel it might sound like cynical joking to all sides of this misery ...
Sorry for the pain on all sides involved ... ...
Thank you for posting, anyway, dear Jaw.
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I knew he was a mentalist as soon as he joined
it's never SOM BTW
it's never SOM BTW
"And when you start to think about death, you start to think about what's after it. And then you start hoping there is a God. For me, it's a frightening thought to go nowhere".
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~ Peter Steele
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I only called them SOM because the thread subject area wouldn't let me type in anything longer, it has a limit.James Blast wrote:I knew he was a mentalist as soon as he joined
it's never SOM BTW
I didn't write any of these articles, it's just some info I saw on the 'net. I thought some of you might find it interesting, that's all... no hidden agenda.
Personally I think Eldritch has the right to veto acts that are doing support for his shows. Although doing it after the bands have paid into the advertising costs is not cool at all IMO...
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fair comment, a linky woulda been fine
"And when you start to think about death, you start to think about what's after it. And then you start hoping there is a God. For me, it's a frightening thought to go nowhere".
~ Peter Steele
~ Peter Steele
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Hey, James... while on the subject...
could you show me how to make that linky thing work like ya'll do?
could you show me how to make that linky thing work like ya'll do?
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In the 2001 Porto concert, portuguese band Phantom Vision were also sacked of the bill in the day of the concert.~
Oficial statement from the band:
May 2001 - The band was forbidden to play as support for the band Sisters of Mercy at Portos Coliseum, in a show integrated on the Super Bock Super Rock Festival. Andrew Eldritch, vocalist of the British band, refused the support bands show because of aesthetic reasons and letting his new surprising phobia of the dark reveals. No Mercy For The Sisters !!!
http://www.myspace.com/phantomvision
Still keeping a grudge, as it seems... They were more goth at the time, they now have a punk/psichobilly fell integrated on their sound. Not bad, but not good also...
Oficial statement from the band:
May 2001 - The band was forbidden to play as support for the band Sisters of Mercy at Portos Coliseum, in a show integrated on the Super Bock Super Rock Festival. Andrew Eldritch, vocalist of the British band, refused the support bands show because of aesthetic reasons and letting his new surprising phobia of the dark reveals. No Mercy For The Sisters !!!
http://www.myspace.com/phantomvision
Still keeping a grudge, as it seems... They were more goth at the time, they now have a punk/psichobilly fell integrated on their sound. Not bad, but not good also...
darkcircleroom4.blogspot.com
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I Am The Jaw wrote:I only called them SOM because the thread subject area wouldn't let me type in anything longer, it has a limit.James Blast wrote:I knew he was a mentalist as soon as he joined
it's never SOM BTW
Editted accordingly.
We forgive as we forget
As the day is long.
As the day is long.
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thanking yew
and @ n'Emolicia quote a post that has linkies and ye'll see how they work, that's how this auld fart figured it out
and @ n'Emolicia quote a post that has linkies and ye'll see how they work, that's how this auld fart figured it out
"And when you start to think about death, you start to think about what's after it. And then you start hoping there is a God. For me, it's a frightening thought to go nowhere".
~ Peter Steele
~ Peter Steele
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Thank you.
also...
...you're not all that old, Dear.
also...
...you're not all that old, Dear.
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well, I wasn't when I figured it out
"And when you start to think about death, you start to think about what's after it. And then you start hoping there is a God. For me, it's a frightening thought to go nowhere".
~ Peter Steele
~ Peter Steele
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Best summed-up by one of my former boss' favourite aphorisms:
"My sandpit, my toys, my rules. If you object to any of them, I invite you to play elsewhere."
"My sandpit, my toys, my rules. If you object to any of them, I invite you to play elsewhere."
"I won't go down in history, but I probably will go down on your sister."
Hank Moody
Hank Moody
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Those bands? Emphatically not.
--
The most successful tyranny is not the one that uses force to assure uniformity but the one that removes the awareness of other possibilities, that makes it seem inconceivable that other ways are viable, that removes the sense that there is an outside.
The most successful tyranny is not the one that uses force to assure uniformity but the one that removes the awareness of other possibilities, that makes it seem inconceivable that other ways are viable, that removes the sense that there is an outside.
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bet they were s**t anyway
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I saw Sunshine Blind live in Fort Worth, Texas, probably around 15 years ago (maybe more). They were just alright. The (utterly derivative) light-show added a lot to the experience.
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The most successful tyranny is not the one that uses force to assure uniformity but the one that removes the awareness of other possibilities, that makes it seem inconceivable that other ways are viable, that removes the sense that there is an outside.
The most successful tyranny is not the one that uses force to assure uniformity but the one that removes the awareness of other possibilities, that makes it seem inconceivable that other ways are viable, that removes the sense that there is an outside.
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If they do start vetting the audience
Does anybody know what this years look is for an Industrial Groove Machine?
Does anybody know what this years look is for an Industrial Groove Machine?
Well you must know something
'Cos we're dying of admiration here
Mastering obscure alternatives
'Cos we're dying of admiration here
Mastering obscure alternatives
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To the point as ever Herr Blast!AdrenaChris wrote:bet they were s**t anyway
You still think swastikas look cool
The real nazis run your schools
They're coaches, businessmen and cops
In a real fourth reich you'll be the first to go
The real nazis run your schools
They're coaches, businessmen and cops
In a real fourth reich you'll be the first to go
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High-waisted old-man pants, suspenders and a fedora.million voices wrote:If they do start vetting the audience
Does anybody know what this years look is for an Industrial Groove Machine?
--
The most successful tyranny is not the one that uses force to assure uniformity but the one that removes the awareness of other possibilities, that makes it seem inconceivable that other ways are viable, that removes the sense that there is an outside.
The most successful tyranny is not the one that uses force to assure uniformity but the one that removes the awareness of other possibilities, that makes it seem inconceivable that other ways are viable, that removes the sense that there is an outside.