New Doctor Who - The Impossible Astronaut

NickW · 27 Apr 2011, 21:25

I either watch Doctor who with my 10 and 13 year old daughters or discuss it with them a few days later. If I was Moffat I would be worried as one would presume this age group is his target audience and they can both find holes in the plot you could drive a bus through and state 'The writer is rubbish and is spoiling it'

moses · 28 Apr 2011, 00:34

The ginger girl still looks hot, although I don't supposed they noticed that.

timsinister · 28 Apr 2011, 08:14

The ginger girl still looks hot, although I don't supposed they noticed that.

...and conveniently useless. Billie Piper had a massive gun, Free Agyeman played an actual Doctor, even Catherine Tate had some innate skills although I can't bring them to mind.

Karen Gillan's character just is. What was it she did in the Easter special? Run into an earlier version of herself, and flirt with her? Moffat said "All red-blooded fans will love it".
Sorry? This is Doctor Who, sure you've made it bland enough for anyone to tune in for some eye-candy without being distracted by anything as facile as a plot, but please don't imagine your audience is entirely male, of low IQ and driven entirely by their crotches.

moses · 28 Apr 2011, 10:18

timsinister wrote:
The ginger girl still looks hot, although I don't supposed they noticed that.
...and conveniently useless. Billie Piper had a massive gun, Free Agyeman played an actual Doctor, even Catherine Tate had some innate skills although I can't bring them to mind.

Karen Gillan's character just is. What was it she did in the Easter special? Run into an earlier version of herself, and flirt with her? Moffat said "All red-blooded fans will love it".
Sorry? This is Doctor Who, sure you've made it bland enough for anyone to tune in for some eye-candy without being distracted by anything as facile as a plot, but please don't imagine your audience is entirely male, of low IQ and driven entirely by their crotches.

Billy piper had a big gun - she really had big tits and big teeth, the gun wasn't real.
It's a kids show, for 13 year olds and under. The eye-candy is for the dads. Perhaps Prof. Cox should be the next Doctor then the storyline might be even a tiny bit plausable, but intil then my 5 year old is loving it and Im getting a sexy red head to look at. Win Win

stufarq · 28 Apr 2011, 22:08

timsinister wrote:
even Catherine Tate had some innate skills although I can't bring them to mind.

Being obnoxious?

metal on metal · 29 Apr 2011, 09:32

It's been up its own arse since the last full Tennant series. It seems to be being written exclusively for fanboys who cream themselves over working out convoluted "story arcs" (Christ, I hate that term) and is becoming incomprehensible to casual viewers - it's starting to make the same mistakes that killed off the original programme in the 1980s. Such a shame because I really like Matt Smith but if it carries on like this I give it a couple more series at most.

Maisey · 01 May 2011, 03:53

TINY TINY TIMELORD BABIES

stufarq · 01 May 2011, 16:39

Maisey wrote:TINY TINY TIMELORD BABIES

No, they're made of jelly, they're not real.

Maisey · 14 May 2011, 19:21

A really really excellent episode. We all know Neil Gaiman is a genius, but who'd have thought he could write something so unique yet still quintessentially Doctor Who.

I tend to love Time Lord/Gallifrey related story lines anway and was genuinely elated by seeing The Doctor and his Tardis interact, thought they got her personality spot on.

Erudite · 15 May 2011, 10:37

Maisey wrote:A really really excellent episode. We all know Neil Gaiman is a genius, but who'd have thought he could write something so unique yet still quintessentially Doctor Who.

I tend to love Time Lord/Gallifrey related story lines anway and was genuinely elated by seeing The Doctor and his Tardis interact, thought they got her personality spot on.

Anthropomorphising the Tardis is pure Gaiman.
He also displayed his usual talent for the philosophical one-liner - the Tardis didn't always take him where he wanted but he was always where he needed to be.

Might have to deduct a point for teasing us with yet another Rory death scene. Seems to be something of a running joke now.

lazarus corporation · 15 May 2011, 10:49

Erudite wrote:Might have to deduct a point for teasing us with yet another Rory death scene. Seems to be something of a running joke now.

"Oh my god, they killed Rory! You Bastards!"

Rory's Kenny-like status aside (and yes, they need to stop "killing" him - and other major characters - immediately: there are other ways of creating tension & drama) it was a very enjoyable episode.

stufarq · 15 May 2011, 15:54

lazarus corporation wrote:"Oh my god, they killed Rory! You Bastards!"

Damn, you beat me to that joke (which I've been using at home for a couple of weeks now, honest).

The scripts for the rest of the series have been leaked:

"We know a secret but we're not going to tell you because we're far too smug and it's far too complicated for mere mortals to understand."
"Amy's pregnant no she's not Amy's pregnanat no she's not Amy's pregnanat no she's not and it's not at all creepy for me to be secretly scanning her bodily functions like this."
"We've got to tell him."
"We can't tell him."
"We've got to tell him."
"We can't tell him."
"I'm going to tell him."
"We're NOT telling him."
"We've already told him. Will have told him. Will be telling him and are right now five minutes ago."
"What are you talking about?"
"Never mind. It'a all timey-wimey and far too complicated for mere mortals to understand."
"Imagine me using the same joke every week until you're sick of it. Well it's nothing like that."
"Is it far too complicated for mere mortals to understand?"
"Yes. NO! But yes, if it helps."
"What's the story this week?"
"You'll have to watch all thirteen episodes before it makes any sense."
"I'm much more arch and eccentric and posh now. Arch and eccentric and posh is cool."
"Oh my God they killed Rory!"

Maisey · 15 May 2011, 16:59

Despite all that I'm enjoying it a LOT more than the last series. Matt Smith is getting close to redemption

timsinister · 17 May 2011, 10:11

stufarq wrote: The scripts for the rest of the series have been leaked:

I'm surprised they managed to crowbar Rory's eighth death into Gaiman's episode - unless Moffat intervened as per his title?

Very entertaining episode, bar the usual niggles and continuity hiccoughs.

Erudite · 17 May 2011, 18:01

timsinister wrote:I'm surprised they managed to crowbar Rory's eighth death into Gaiman's episode - unless Moffat intervened as per his title?

You've been counting then?

timsinister · 17 May 2011, 20:37

Some geek did it for me, I just, er...read his blog on the matter.

stufarq · 17 May 2011, 22:26

timsinister wrote:Rory's eighth death

Eighth? I can only think of six and one of those is stretching the point.

But if we're counting, Moffatt's also killed Amy, River and the Doctor twice each (or three times, stretching that same point ie everyone ceasing to exist at the end of last year). Isn't it all getting a bit repetitive?

paint it black · 17 May 2011, 22:30

nice little teaser with the river comment hidden away right at the end i thought

timsinister · 17 May 2011, 22:53

Stuff bloody Professor bloody River bloody Song.

lazarus corporation · 18 May 2011, 15:04

OMG they killed Rory! Posters!

Carpathian Psychonaut · 18 May 2011, 16:00

The Gaiman episode had a lot of hype and expectation to live up to with the two parties that were concerned but, for me, it didn't disappoint and then some.

Thought the performance as Idris/Tardis was absolutely spot on. Mesmerising even. Count me in the "well happy" list for the episode as a whole.

Oh, and the Gillan is well fit. There. That's my card marked.

timsinister · 18 May 2011, 17:46

lazarus corporation wrote:OMG they killed Rory! Posters!

This, all over. I think I was counting the times he was also erased from time, etc.

stufarq · 18 May 2011, 21:32

timsinister wrote:I think I was counting the times he was also erased from time, etc.

Yeah, that was my dodgy sixth.

DeWinter · 19 May 2011, 10:39

"Oh, and the Gillan is well fit. There. That's my card marked."

My Scandinavian girl was very impressed by her too. "The ginger one is hot...but I can't understand what she's saying.."
She had trouble understanding a friend of mine from Mablethorpe too. If you don't sound like Bertie Wooster, to her it's all just gibberish!

I enjoyed the episode, once I got over the initial disappointment over the Time Lord reveal not happening. "The Corsair" sounded rather fun.
Still, there's Romana in E-Space still. And Susan somewhere or other. And the strange regenerating girl who's probably River, but that makes no sense if she's really Amy's daughter. Unless her and the Doctor got up to some funny business..

timsinister · 20 May 2011, 10:19

It's hard to imagine, DeWinter, as the show seems to be pushing the Doctor and Song, and Amy and Rory. Plus that's a bit risque for a kiddies' show.

If you don't sound like Bertie Wooster, to her it's all just gibberish!

So, you do sound like Bertie Wooster?

"The Corsair" sounded rather fun.

Yes, I was looking forward to that. I spent the rest of the episode wondering how you can dismember a Time Lord without triggering a regeneration - surely once you've cut them up enough, the entire body mass renews?

Oh, and did you notice the Doctor slyly drop the plot-bomb that Time Lords can regenerate across the genders? I wonder if that leads into...

And the strange regenerating girl who's probably River, but that makes no sense if she's really Amy's daughter.

Hmmm?

Still, there's Romana in E-Space still. And Susan somewhere or other.

I'd always taken the novels and audios as canon that Romana left E-Space and returned to Gallifrey, becoming President on several occasions (although notably not during the Last Great Time War). And doesn't it seem strange the Doctor wouldn't go and seek out Susan, assuming she'd avoided the War? I don't think we'll see a return of Carole Ann Ford anytime...