May I add to the turmoil by mentioning Burzum's joining Heartland spawned part of my decision for quitting this place?
-With a close friend of mine being a metal dj I was well aware of who those nutters are.
So, Burzum, I don't want to add to the discomfort you doubtlessly feel now. I just want to make you aware, that without intention you most likely caused discomfort in others, dummkopf being the only to voice his concern.
And, may I add, changing your screen name might make Heartland a somewhat nicer place for others (again).
Mark, no offense meant, but to put that statement of yours to the test (by yourself) I considderred making a new account here, using a name like Adolf Hitler, ChildAbuseIsFun or XiaoLinHandbags.markfiend wrote:It's none of anybody's damn business what username someone chooses.
Thinking about it, you know very well that there are limits to tolerance.
To explain the problem I had with those days:
Burzum joined in 2007. That was about the time a member of this site, that was a most highly cherrished and dear friend of mine at that time got interested in a band called Allerseelen.
I usually tend to take a look at what the folks I feel close to like, in the best of cases to add to the range of my preferences. In that case, I backed away in disgust.
They sang (Or rather rapped over pishpoor dull electro noise):
(Give me strength throughout my life/Through fighting, victory and perdition)Gib mir Kraft ein Leben lang/Durch Kampf und Sieg und Untergang
You might just as well sing a Horst Wessel Lied or some other stuff from SA/SS "traditionals".
While officially neglecting being right wing extremists, the singer of that band repeatedly wrote articles for hardcore neonazi magazines.
Now you are left to your own devices with deciding what to make of these people, are they what they claim to be or are they what they look like?
Next another member of this very forum developed a taste for Der Blutharsch, another Neofolk band that denies perpetuating right wing ideology, but using the very symbolism and aesthetics of the far right. The realy, realy far right.
The Myspace site of that one said Heartlander soon looked like a second grade Third Reich Memorial, and it sounded of Gleichschritt.
Those really gave me a hard time here, and back then only the context of this forum and knowing these people through daily online contact here stopped me from making that a topic and demand public explanations.
Not least of my silence about those things was that you, Mark, are known to me as a straightforward Nazi repelant. I remember how you reacted when you found out a major BNP member frequented an office near yours. With you knowing those heartlander well better than me and having insight in who and what they are, I felt of remaining calm and trust in in the general decency of those folks as safe.
Nevertheless, since they started their neofolk involvement, I got friend requests from shitloads of obvious Nazis on Myspace, which leads to the obvious problem with tolerating or imitating Nazi's aesthetics:
You attract Nazis.
With that my own Myspace site, which used to be my space, where I just introduced myself to the few that might be interested in me, turned into this here is not a Nazi space.
That's why I keep a good distance from Neofolk in general (for that genre failed to defend itself against Nazis, unlike Black Metal in general, with exceptions like that band "Burzum") and can only feel disgust in face of the millitaria look that became fassionable in the recent years for the goff scene. Bands like Der Blutharsch or Feindflug are to be held responsible if the goff scene gets to become a partyground for Nazis.
It's not the very thing, it's the smell of shit that attracts flies.
I hope to have added a bit to the solution of the conflict here. Dummkopf and [Heartlander currently known as Burzum, who seems to be a decent bloke despite that unfortunate nic], I hope you two will make peace over a beer at some gig of the best band of them all, which this here forum is about.
What I'd like to add:
Mark, I remember telling you in a PM/mail about the trouble I had here, with anonymous phone calls, finding the door of my flat open when comming home from work, having gotten a forum login of a germany based guitarists forum hacked etc.
Adding to that a lass from the neighbourhood suddenly sought for contact with me. In close temporary context with those Nazi requests on Myspace. Then, some day, she confessed her resenment against jews to me. I as well learnt, that an inhabitant of this house was a member of an autonomous Nazi group. One mile down the river that passes the house here, there's a kiosk next to a boat rental. If you want to see skinheads of the right wing kind, just drop in there.
I am left to guessing where all the trouble back then came from, and if there was a connection between them. But it is the only sense I can make of the things, that this was the case.
Heartland is not in a space of fiction, it's in the very real Internet, that gets used by actual people. Some of them may get actual trouble through the web.
I guess there's a 60 to 70% chance this was the case here.
That's why, Burzum, I think you'd be well advised to get that nickname changed. As you see, it arouses wrong assumptions about you.
I felt this had to be said, even if that thread got locked. Sue me for it.
Jums over and out.
