I don't think anyone ever saw The Mission as "the real and only Sisters". Even Wayne is on record as having said that, in retrospect, calling the new band "The Sisterhood" was a bad idea.
But.
At the time of the split, as I understand it, no-one really expected Eldritch to carry on. He was too f*cked up (mentally and physically) to tour any more. Indeed, the more-than-five-year hiatus between the "Wake" at RAH and the Speed Kings at Drogheda is the longest break in the band's live history. So in the absence of a "real and only Sisters" the Mission were an acceptable substitute for a lot of the fan-base.
Wayne on the Sisters.....
I thought I'd already set all of this out very clearly once before (probably earlier in this thread) but here we go again.
As Fiendy says, no-one saw the Mish as "the real and only Sisters" - and they didn't call themselves that. They called themselves The Sisterhood after the unofficial name of a group of diehard fans, and they asked said fans' permission to use it. (For those in doubt, Ramone was the guy who took the phone call.) Yes, it was done partly to irritate Von but they were all basically still friends at the time, he attended some gigs and said nice things and, again as Fiendy has said, no-one expected him or TSOM to carry on so using a similar name didn't seem so bad.
The people who called the new band "The new Sisters of Mercy" were promoters and venues, who put it on posters to bring in the punters. Wayne and co objected but were ignored. Von objected but to the wrong people ie his lawyers and thus madness ensued. Faults on both sides.
Why do we have to keep resurrecting this stupid fight? Like whichever bands you want to and accept that other people may like the ones you don't. Hold an opinion on whether Von can sing or whether you can actually hear whether he can sing through the sound mix. Discuss Wayne's contribution as endlessly as you like (but bear in mind that others may get bored). But calling people names to perpetuate a battle that ended decades ago and which you were never involved in and probably don't even know the protagonists personally is just childish.
As Fiendy says, no-one saw the Mish as "the real and only Sisters" - and they didn't call themselves that. They called themselves The Sisterhood after the unofficial name of a group of diehard fans, and they asked said fans' permission to use it. (For those in doubt, Ramone was the guy who took the phone call.) Yes, it was done partly to irritate Von but they were all basically still friends at the time, he attended some gigs and said nice things and, again as Fiendy has said, no-one expected him or TSOM to carry on so using a similar name didn't seem so bad.
The people who called the new band "The new Sisters of Mercy" were promoters and venues, who put it on posters to bring in the punters. Wayne and co objected but were ignored. Von objected but to the wrong people ie his lawyers and thus madness ensued. Faults on both sides.
Why do we have to keep resurrecting this stupid fight? Like whichever bands you want to and accept that other people may like the ones you don't. Hold an opinion on whether Von can sing or whether you can actually hear whether he can sing through the sound mix. Discuss Wayne's contribution as endlessly as you like (but bear in mind that others may get bored). But calling people names to perpetuate a battle that ended decades ago and which you were never involved in and probably don't even know the protagonists personally is just childish.
Any more of that and we'll be round your front door with the quick-setting whitewash and the shaved monkey.
-
Silver_Owl
- The Don
- Posts: 7498
- Joined: 27 Sep 2003, 18:52
Can I raise a practical question at this point? Are we gonna do "Stonehenge" tomorrow? 
We forgive as we forget
As the day is long.
As the day is long.
-
markfiend
- goriller of form 3b
- Posts: 21181
- Joined: 11 Nov 2003, 10:55
- Location: st custards
- Contact:
Hom_Corleone wrote:Can I raise a practical question at this point? Are we gonna do "Stonehenge" tomorrow?
The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.
—Bertrand Russell
—Bertrand Russell
-
markfiend
- goriller of form 3b
- Posts: 21181
- Joined: 11 Nov 2003, 10:55
- Location: st custards
- Contact:
Wise words indeed.stufarq wrote:Why do we have to keep resurrecting this stupid fight? [...] calling people names to perpetuate a battle that ended decades ago and which you were never involved in and probably don't even know the protagonists personally is just childish.
The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.
—Bertrand Russell
—Bertrand Russell
-
Being645
- Wiki Wizard
- Posts: 15274
- Joined: 09 Apr 2009, 12:54
- Location: reconstruction status: whatever the f**k
Thanks for this lovely elaboration, stufarq ...stufarq wrote:I thought I'd already set all of this out very clearly once before (probably earlier in this thread) but here we go again.
As Fiendy says, no-one saw the Mish as "the real and only Sisters" - and they didn't call themselves that. They called themselves The Sisterhood after the unofficial name of a group of diehard fans, and they asked said fans' permission to use it. (For those in doubt, Ramone was the guy who took the phone call.) Yes, it was done partly to irritate Von but they were all basically still friends at the time, he attended some gigs and said nice things and, again as Fiendy has said, no-one expected him or TSOM to carry on so using a similar name didn't seem so bad.
The people who called the new band "The new Sisters of Mercy" were promoters and venues, who put it on posters to bring in the punters. Wayne and co objected but were ignored. Von objected but to the wrong people ie his lawyers and thus madness ensued. Faults on both sides.
... and be sure, I do not want to offend or embarass anyone and preferred this idiocy (some call it flame war, but I don't take it so hard) to e-v-e-n-t-u-a-l-l-y come to an end ... 
...Nice stufarq, I completely agree ...stufarq wrote: Why do we have to keep resurrecting this stupid fight? Like whichever bands you want to and accept that other people may like the ones you don't. Hold an opinion on whether Von can sing or whether you can actually hear whether he can sing through the sound mix. Discuss Wayne's contribution as endlessly as you like (but bear in mind that others may get bored). But calling people names to perpetuate a battle that ended decades ago and which you were never involved in and probably don't even know the protagonists personally is just childish.
... Did I call anybody names, btw? I didn't even notice ...
... So just in cases, anybody feels being called names by me - hell, please ... no! don't eat it!
Wise? Me? Do I have to grow a beard now and sit in a rocking chair on the porch?markfiend wrote:Wise words indeed.
Let's all kiss and be friends. No tongues.Being645 wrote:Thanks for this lovely elaboration, stufarq ...
Nice stufarq, I completely agree ...
Did I call anybody names, btw? I didn't even notice ...
So just in cases, anybody feels being called names by me - hell, please ... no! don't eat it!
-
Being645
- Wiki Wizard
- Posts: 15274
- Joined: 09 Apr 2009, 12:54
- Location: reconstruction status: whatever the f**k
Yeah, less is clearly more at times.stufarq wrote:Let's all kiss and be friends. No tongues.Being645 wrote:Thanks for this lovely elaboration, stufarq ...
Nice stufarq, I completely agree ...
Did I call anybody names, btw? I didn't even notice ...
So just in cases, anybody feels being called names by me - hell, please ... no! don't eat it!
-
markfiend
- goriller of form 3b
- Posts: 21181
- Joined: 11 Nov 2003, 10:55
- Location: st custards
- Contact:
Yes. Yes you do.stufarq wrote:Wise? Me? Do I have to grow a beard now and sit in a rocking chair on the porch?
The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.
—Bertrand Russell
—Bertrand Russell
Then will everyone come to me seeking my wise words? Will they all pass by and give me a deferential nod? And occasionally leave gifts of food and logs at the back door? And will they come and sit at my feet and tell me their quandries and ask for my insight and the benefit of my years of experience? And can I tell them to p*ss off and leave an old man in peace?markfiend wrote:Yes. Yes you do.stufarq wrote:Wise? Me? Do I have to grow a beard now and sit in a rocking chair on the porch?
-
million voices
- Slight Overbomber
- Posts: 1005
- Joined: 10 May 2006, 22:31
- Location: The Ballrooms Of Mars
No
Well you must know something
'Cos we're dying of admiration here
Mastering obscure alternatives
'Cos we're dying of admiration here
Mastering obscure alternatives
-
million voices
- Slight Overbomber
- Posts: 1005
- Joined: 10 May 2006, 22:31
- Location: The Ballrooms Of Mars
No
Well you must know something
'Cos we're dying of admiration here
Mastering obscure alternatives
'Cos we're dying of admiration here
Mastering obscure alternatives
-
million voices
- Slight Overbomber
- Posts: 1005
- Joined: 10 May 2006, 22:31
- Location: The Ballrooms Of Mars
Nostufarq wrote:Then will everyone come to me seeking my wise words? Will they all pass by and give me a deferential nod? And occasionally leave gifts of food and logs at the back door? And will they come and sit at my feet and tell me their quandries and ask for my insight and the benefit of my years of experience? And can I tell them to p*ss off and leave an old man in peace?markfiend wrote:Yes. Yes you do.stufarq wrote:Wise? Me? Do I have to grow a beard now and sit in a rocking chair on the porch?
Well you must know something
'Cos we're dying of admiration here
Mastering obscure alternatives
'Cos we're dying of admiration here
Mastering obscure alternatives
-
Nikolas Vitus Lagartija
- Overbomber
- Posts: 2485
- Joined: 04 Aug 2011, 23:35
- Location: Scotland
- Contact:
This whole thread has become very Monty Python. I'm off to play my old Judean People's Front CDs.
-
markfiend
- goriller of form 3b
- Posts: 21181
- Joined: 11 Nov 2003, 10:55
- Location: st custards
- Contact:
Splitters!Nikolas Vitus Lagartija wrote:This whole thread has become very Monty Python. I'm off to play my old Judean People's Front CDs.
The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.
—Bertrand Russell
—Bertrand Russell
This is Spanish Inquisition! We know that NOBODY expect us, but that's how we work. Surprise is our chief weapon!
-
Aazhyd
- Amphetamine Filth
- Posts: 229
- Joined: 29 Apr 2009, 07:48
- Location: The low damp ground
- Contact:
Fear and surprise!Bartek wrote:This is Spanish Inquisition! We know that NOBODY expect us, but that's how we work. Surprise is our chief weapon!
Only the Americans could have built a place like this in the middle of a jungle.
-
paint it black
- Black, black, black & even blacker
- Posts: 4966
- Joined: 11 Jul 2002, 01:00
the superstition doesn't seem right though
Goths have feelings too
-
Nikolas Vitus Lagartija
- Overbomber
- Posts: 2485
- Joined: 04 Aug 2011, 23:35
- Location: Scotland
- Contact:
markfiend wrote:Splitters!Nikolas Vitus Lagartija wrote:This whole thread has become very Monty Python. I'm off to play my old Judean People's Front CDs.
I knew that would provoke a reaction from the People's Front of J***a fans !-
million voices
- Slight Overbomber
- Posts: 1005
- Joined: 10 May 2006, 22:31
- Location: The Ballrooms Of Mars
......well, there's the whine and the irritation..
Well you must know something
'Cos we're dying of admiration here
Mastering obscure alternatives
'Cos we're dying of admiration here
Mastering obscure alternatives
-
TragicSerenades
- Road Kill
- Posts: 27
- Joined: 20 May 2008, 12:52
- Location: Sweden
Well..Monty Python rules!!! and the same can be said for this topic...Ozpat wrote:That is not unusual here.Nikolas Vitus Lagartija wrote:This whole thread has become very Monty Python. I'm off to play my old Judean People's Front CDs.
You just gotta love those Wayne disciples
I had the opportunity to talk briefly with Wayne on the m*****n show in Mexico a couple of weeks ago, I gave him loads of Sisters stuff to sign, he said that there is no bad blood between him and Von anymore, he says that if there is any conflict is between the fans and thats it