First and Last and Always on 4 vinyls

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Will be released soon by a company called Nika Records:
http://www.nika.si/Alternative__Instrum ... s_Era_4LP/

Format: LP
Å ifra: 825646284047

LPA FIRST AND LAST AND ALWAYS
Black Planet
Walk Away
No Time To Cry
A Rock And A Hard Place
Marian (Version)

LPB FIRST AND LAST AND ALWAYS
First And Last And Always
Possession
Nine While Nine
Logic
Some Kind Of Stranger

LPC BODY AND SOUL
Body And Soul
Body Electric (1984 version)

LPD BODY AND SOUL
Train
Afterhours

LPE WALK AWAY
Walk Away

LPF WALK AWAY
Poison Door
On The Wire

LPG NO TIME TO CRY
No Time To Cry

LPH NO TIME TO CRY
Blood Money
Bury Me Deep


When checking the nordic store CDon, info are as follows:

Artist: Sisters Of Mercy
Title: First And Last And Always (4LP)
Label: Wm Uk
Company: WMS
Mediatyp: Vinyl LP
Release date: 2015-07-24
Estimated delivery: TBA
Catalog number: WMS-2564628-404
EAN: 0825646284047

http://cdon.se/musik/sisters_of_mercy/first_and_last_and_always_(4lp)-33475055
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That's a great idea - hope that this set does well for them.
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It is a great idea but call me old-fashioned. Why not release a new album? And package it how they want? Instead of re-packaging the classics over, and over, again. :? :roll:
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"To celebrate the 30th anniversary of the band’s debut album ‘First and Last and Always’ we are releasing a fantastic 4LP vinyl boxset compiling the initial 1984-85 WEA period when the band were arguably at their best. The boxset will feature the original album, cut from the original production masters, as well as three additional LPs of b-sides from the era all on 180gm black vinyl packaged together in a card slipcase."

If the bit about using the original production masters is true then this should be pretty special. How do I buy it?
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robertzombie wrote:cut from the original production masters
Yes, that would make this very special indeed. Wonder if that includes the b-sides?
Thinking about Body Electric 1984 in a perfect remastered version... 8)
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TheBoyNextDoor wrote:
robertzombie wrote:cut from the original production masters
Yes, that would make this very special indeed. Wonder if that includes the b-sides?
Thinking about Body Electric 1984 in a perfect remastered version... 8)
Lost in translation - if these discs are to be cut from the 1984/5 stampers then how can they be remastered?
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TheBoyNextDoor wrote: Thinking about Body Electric 1984 in a perfect remastered version... 8)
That's already been done

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Gaijin wrote:
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robertzombie wrote:cut from the original production masters
Yes, that would make this very special indeed. Wonder if that includes the b-sides?
Thinking about Body Electric 1984 in a perfect remastered version... 8)
Lost in translation - if these discs are to be cut from the 1984/5 stampers then how can they be remastered?
Right, whishful thinking then.. they will be reprinted anyway (from the original masteres?) so hopefully there will be some sound improvements compared to the releases from 84/85 and the reprints from the 90s.
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Pista wrote:
TheBoyNextDoor wrote: Thinking about Body Electric 1984 in a perfect remastered version... 8)
That's already been done

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If it actually is 4 records, as opposed to 4 sides, then hopefully it'll be cut at 45 RPM. However, if it is indeed 4 records then it won't use original production masters as they were prepared for 1 LP (2 sides).
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robertzombie wrote:If it actually is 4 records, as opposed to 4 sides, then hopefully it'll be cut at 45 RPM. However, if it is indeed 4 records then it won't use original production masters as they were prepared for 1 LP (2 sides).
The four records would appear to have the eight sides labelled A-H in the OP. Although it claims to be four LPs, it would appear from the content to be one LP (at 33 and a third rpm) and three 12" singles at 45rpm, and I would not get any hopes that it is anything other than basically a belated attempt to cash in on the 30th anniversary with a rehash of what we already own. :roll:
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I've dropped a line to Diverse Vinyl to see if they will stock it, if I get a reply I'll post it here.
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Nikolas Vitus Lagartija wrote:
robertzombie wrote:If it actually is 4 records, as opposed to 4 sides, then hopefully it'll be cut at 45 RPM. However, if it is indeed 4 records then it won't use original production masters as they were prepared for 1 LP (2 sides).
The four records would appear to have the eight sides labelled A-H in the OP. Although it claims to be four LPs, it would appear from the content to be one LP (at 33 and a third rpm) and three 12" singles at 45rpm, and I would not get any hopes that it is anything other than basically a belated attempt to cash in on the 30th anniversary with a rehash of what we already own. :roll:
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Yes, just looks like an LP and three 12" singles.
If it's from the original stampers won't they be worn and so be inferior to the original?
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Dan wrote:If it's from the original stampers won't they be worn and so be inferior to the original?
It depends how many times the stampers were used. If we just look at the Alsdorf pressings for example, there are at least 3 iterations of Side A (A3, A6, A7) but only one Side B (B2). In the right conditions, a stamper can be good for up to 10,000 pressings and they can be re-used many years later if properly preserved.

The phrase "cut from the original production masters" is probably misleading. It should mean exactly that, cut using the original stampers, as that's what "production masters" implies. However it could potentially refer to the EQ'd dub (aka Cutting Master) tape, if such a tape exists. If the label (who I've never heard of, btw, and I buy a lot of new vinyl) were using the master tapes then they'd be very clear about that.
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Johnny Rev 7.0 wrote:It is a great idea but call me old-fashioned. Why not release a new album? And package it how they want? Instead of re-packaging the classics over, and over, again. :? :roll:
Because this release almost certainly has nothing to do with the band.
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robertzombie wrote:
Dan wrote:If it's from the original stampers won't they be worn and so be inferior to the original?
It depends how many times the stampers were used. If we just look at the Alsdorf pressings for example, there are at least 3 iterations of Side A (A3, A6, A7) but only one Side B (B2). In the right conditions, a stamper can be good for up to 10,000 pressings and they can be re-used many years later if properly preserved.

The phrase "cut from the original production masters" is probably misleading. It should mean exactly that, cut using the original stampers, as that's what "production masters" implies. However it could potentially refer to the EQ'd dub (aka Cutting Master) tape, if such a tape exists. If the label (who I've never heard of, btw, and I buy a lot of new vinyl) were using the master tapes then they'd be very clear about that.
One never knows. Maybe they are using your wonderful needledrops ...

Anyway, I'll rather invest that money in seeing them live again in real time ... ;D ...
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Nikolas Vitus Lagartija wrote:
robertzombie wrote:If it actually is 4 records, as opposed to 4 sides, then hopefully it'll be cut at 45 RPM. However, if it is indeed 4 records then it won't use original production masters as they were prepared for 1 LP (2 sides).
The four records would appear to have the eight sides labelled A-H in the OP. Although it claims to be four LPs, it would appear from the content to be one LP (at 33 and a third rpm) and three 12" singles at 45rpm, and I would not get any hopes that it is anything other than basically a belated attempt to cash in on the 30th anniversary with a rehash of what we already own. :roll:
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I'm excited about this. The original European LP is fairly weedy sounding. The MFSL remaster went some way to rebalancing the EQ but they used the JPN mixes. Hopefully we will finally get the definitive F&L&A on vinyl.
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In my opinion this goes too far, and will not offer anythin new. Afterhours undistorted?
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The only new thing this offers is a complete package of the contemporary B-sides (though really all this means is the B+S 12") for the first time. Could, and should have been done ages ago already. Still if it happens to be the best sounding version of the album yet I'll be giving it a go.
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AdrenaChris wrote:The only new thing this offers is a complete package of the contemporary B-sides (though really all this means is the B+S 12") for the first time.
No it doesn't.
As far as I know & looking at my collection B&S was already released, as were the other B sides all on vinyl.
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jost 7 wrote:In my opinion this goes too far, and will not offer anythin new. Afterhours undistorted?
Lets see
Depends how you look at it. If it's cut all analogue and is pressed well with good QC then it offers us the chance to buy the records As New. No more second hand disappointments.
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I like the idea.

The Floodland one should be quite popular I think. :P
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