Germany

[Alex66]

What is wrong with people just randomly attacking people who are doing no harm FFS
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... in-germany

[eastmidswhizzkid]

because the world's going to hell in a hand-cart? and he's just potentially fucked up further public opinion against peaceful asylum-seekers. nice work you cunt.

[Bartek]

Mark a fact that his nationality is written and his status ("asylum seeker"), that tells a lot, that something is going on, something is changing in opinion about such asylum seekers.

[Johnny Rev 7.0]

The World is changing.

Back in my day... terrorists, kidknappers, bank robbers etc., had one goal: To escape with their lives and (hopefully) the loot. Being caught and imprisoned was seen as a failure.

Now we have a different breed.

They're ready to die, so don't care about the lives they take with them. As explosives become more difficult to pass scrutiny; the truck, the car, the knife, the machete etc., becomes the new suicide vest.

Impossible to police against. Anyone of us could take a kitchen knife on our commute to work tomorrow, and wreak havoc.

But we don't.

Because we're balanced human beings. We all have very dark thoughts [insert yours here] but we don't act on them. Because we understand the difference between right and wrong.

Elsewhere, those not so balanced are being radicalised. It only takes one or two, every six months, to perpetuate the myth and slaughter.

72 virgins? My arse!

[EvilBastard]

The World is changing.

Back in my day... terrorists, kidknappers, bank robbers etc., had one goal: To escape with their lives and (hopefully) the loot. Being caught and imprisoned was seen as a failure.

Now we have a different breed.

But the concept of martyrdom has been around for ages. The IRA and the various loyalist factions in Northern Ireland, ETA, Red Brigades, RAF, Black September, Shining Path, Tupac Amaru, Aum - they're all groups that prize(d) martyrdom. Most of them weren't looking for money - they wanted to smash the system, destroy capitalism, pick your ideal. In this regard Daesh is no different - although they are one of the rare exceptions where the goal actually is blowing themselves up, or dying as a direct result of their actions (whereas the 'ra took the view, "Well, laddie, if you plant the bomb in the army pub and get blown up, you'll die knowing that you were striking a blow for Ireland", rather than "right, go in there and blow yourself up.")

The only way to police against it is to understand the why, and try to change it. But that doesn't win votes, or secure multi-billion dollar arms contracts, or let your police force dress up and play army every so often. Much easier to treat the symptom, not the cause. Pakistani kids (I mean, the ones whose parents/grandparents had come to England) when I grew up were English first, muslim a distant second. They went to mosque under protest, they wanted to grow up to be estate agents and car dealers, get wankered on Diamond White and get some girl up the duff by the time they left school. Somewhere along the line it's their kids who have rebelled against their parents' values, who get seduced by imams telling them that Britain has nothing to offer them. Which is bollocks, of course - but we're doing too little to persuade them that it is.

[Being645]

In the 1990s European leaders (and their richer cousins in the economies) decided to - step by step - introduce poverty to Europe. Looking at India where people own a business suit, an alam clock and a cardboard box with some corrogated sheet on top ... and they all go to work like sheep. No resistance at all, just for subsistence ... very, very cool ... of course, in their greed they forgot about suicide attacks and stuff which would come with that "wonderful" poverty ... but hell, the masses will get used to it ...

What I mean to say is that there is hardly anything to expect from politics, unless civil societies themselves do not decide to act. And their decisions, incited and fragmented as they currently are ... seem to kick sidewards and downwards as usual ... very boring, but also sickening hollow ... or in some other old word from the 1990s: "We have overcome civil society. Welcome New Barbarism". Ta.
Well, ok. It's taken 20 some years, but it was obvious.

[nowayjose]

who get seduced by imams telling them that Britain has nothing to offer them. Which is bollocks, of course - but we're doing too little to persuade them that it is.

So you're an impressionable young man from a mohammedan background, what would you choose? The shining glory of Allah's global caliphate where you are one of the chosen, or staying a little cogwheel in the whiney, self-loathing passive-aggressive s**t that European society has become?

Of course the first is a lie, but again, we're talking about young and impressionable.

[Bartek]

@Jose: thing is that some people like add and have some values in their lifes, make their empty and shallow life more meanigful. That's why some turn into religion, other into politics (at least at the beginning), some into other kind of social activities (at least at the beiginning). Some like to see themselves as someone more than just wheel in a big machine - they want to mean something, be someone else than just grey man, and grey street. And then they are lured by some cynical bastards who can only (?) convince other to be their weapons, a wheels in their machines.

Question: did anyone checked if these "martyrs" are worshiped, prayed by other radical muslims?

[EvilBastard]

who get seduced by imams telling them that Britain has nothing to offer them. Which is bollocks, of course - but we're doing too little to persuade them that it is.

So you're an impressionable young man from a mohammedan background, what would you choose? The shining glory of Allah's global caliphate where you are one of the chosen, or staying a little cogwheel in the whiney, self-loathing passive-aggressive s**t that European society has become?

Of course the first is a lie, but again, we're talking about young and impressionable.

I was once young and impressionable (rather than aged and cynical), and while the the shining glory of Thatcher's global caliphate was appealing I found the allure of dressing in black, wearing very very pointy boots, and hanging about in smoky clubs with similarly-inclined people more compelling. And only partly because you can always rely on goff birds to have speed. Perhaps these impressionable young men are turning to radical islam because there's bugger all in the charts these days that resonates with them?

Therefore, I suggest we appeal to 's sense of social justice and prevail upon him to release a new album with which to tempt people away from Daesh and it's associated groups.

[eotunun]

What is wrong with people just randomly attacking people who are doing no harm FFS
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... in-germany

According to a news report I read, the lad was nude when he crossed the border into Germany. That suggests that, hadn't he been unclothed, the underpants would have been found on his head.
Maybe it was the first hint of Deash attacking the Krautdom. Well, what took them so long?
It had to happen some day. All in all, Nazis committed 178 murders, with 800 cases not confirmed but likely, according to newer numbers. Victims to islamist terror here in Germany: Zero. Still zero.

So there are some mentally ruined people among the refugees? They have been through hell before they started the hell that was their escape. It's not a miracle some crack up for good.
If Greece, Italy, Germany and Sweden had had more support from other countries, if the European Union had acted the way a Union, a fair association of countries, would act, there would be no issue.
The European Union used to be half a billion of ecconomicaly strong, well educated citizens. Europe could handle evacuating all of Syria for good with ease!
Do Europeans make use of their power? Bugger all.
Especially Hungary's racists and the polish government, s**t and her p*ss party, have shown to be an utter disgrace here.
Poland is the greatest receiver of EU support, but refused to do anything at all.
A great disapointment indeed.

All I can say that the refugee home that is some 400 yards from my front door hasn't caused a single issue so far. That may be due to the fact that a group of pensioners have taken on the task of taking care of the refugees.
They collect unused bikes from garages and basements of friends, fix them so that the new neighbours have some mobillity of their own. They show the refugees around the town etc.
A chap I know, who takes part in those activities, invited a couple of our refugees to a trip to the radio controlled boat club he's member to, so they could have some fun with toys for a few hours and give them a smile.
This probably is why we have next to no issues here: We welcome the new Rhinelanders.

With their selfish coward rejection of help seekers, all others helped the new dictatorship in Turkey ahead. Nothing else. They help the despicable nitwit IS helper and religious fundamentalist Erdogan into a position where he had the EU under his thumb.

I really love the idea of the EU, but I fear it's f***ed. It has been turned into a self service shop for nationalists who always wanted to get into their neighbours pockets.

[nowayjose]

Perhaps these impressionable young men are turning to radical islam because there's bugger all in the charts these days that resonates with them?

Maybe. Let's blame it on Radiohead.

[EvilBastard]

Maybe. Let's blame it on Radiohead.

Works for me!

[nowayjose]

Europe could handle evacuating all of Syria for good with ease!

Why? They haven't been struck by natural disaster. They are the disaster.

[Bartek]

Europe could handle evacuating all of Syria for good with ease!

Why? They haven't been struck by natural disaster. They are the disaster.

I believe that "all' it's just a rhetoric. Otherwise EU could deport(?) all sides, even people who want to stay there, fight with eachother.
Jokes aside.

The European Union used to be half a billion of ecconomicaly strong, well educated citizens. Europe could handle evacuating all of Syria for good with ease!

This number miss unemployment rates, poverty rates within EU. But yes, here's much much, muchos better than in Syria, Lybia, Afghanistan and Iraq.

Since you mention PL and HUN, there's not doubt that what they (my gov.) are doing is not something what should be done. It's freakin' cynical what politics are doin', sadly much too many people support such actions, words - lack of support.
To explain (at some level): part of this comes from fear, stupid and blind nationalisms and chauvinismus, which has it source in a fact that, like in other post-soviet-block countires, there's not much of national minorities, people here see people speaking other languages, from other cultures since last 10 years (or so), yet most of that people are here as tourists, students of expats. They are fear because they didn't have much chance to meet people form that (muslim, arabic) culture, apart from holiday destinations (Egypt, Tunisia, Turkey), but that's a bit different type (i know it sounds bad) of people - they have to be much more open to tourists.

But you miss the point where those "asylum seekers" are not willing to stay in some countries, because there's not enough (from their perspective, what they expect) support (by support i mean not only: B'n'B, job, but also social securities and benefits [yup, some - but only some - want just to get money]). They are choosing to go eslwhere. There was at least one that type of case in PL.

Anyhow, i agree with substance: if govts. will let these asylium seekers only to stay in camps and that kind of facillities, gather them in one place, let them breed their isolation from people, form cultures of countries where they are residing, it would not help to prevent from doing such things like happen in D.

But still we're missing the point there most of that attacks were planned or at least executed by people having passports of countries where attacks occured. So it's not really a immigrants/asylium seekers who are couse the threats.

[Being645]

who get seduced by imams telling them that Britain has nothing to offer them. Which is bollocks, of course - but we're doing too little to persuade them that it is.

So you're an impressionable young man from a mohammedan background, what would you choose? The shining glory of Allah's global caliphate where you are one of the chosen, or staying a little cogwheel in the whiney, self-loathing passive-aggressive s**t that European society has become?

Of course the first is a lie, but again, we're talking about young and impressionable.

I was once young and impressionable (rather than aged and cynical), and while the the shining glory of Thatcher's global caliphate was appealing I found the allure of dressing in black, wearing very very pointy boots, and hanging about in smoky clubs with similarly-inclined people more compelling. And only partly because you can always rely on goff birds to have speed. Perhaps these impressionable young men are turning to radical islam because there's bugger all in the charts these days that resonates with them?

Therefore, I suggest we appeal to 's sense of social justice and prevail upon him to release a new album with which to tempt people away from Daesh and it's associated groups.

Good idea. And clearly better than ending the list of official releases with "Under The Gun".

[Pista]

Not this shiat again!

[emilystrange]

*sigh*

[Alex66]

It's getting worse and worse.

[Being645]

... ... it's entirely sickening ... of course all my thoughts are with the victims and their families ... ...

and with my friends in the area of whom I hope they are all safe and well.

However, I'm entirly fed up by now with that steadily incited resentment towards more than half of my neighbours ... ...

I shall keep things eye to eye ... ... there's no point in hysteria anyway.

[paint it black]

.. there's no point in hysteria anyway.

Agreed. If only it hadn't sold so well

[Johnny Rev 7.0]

... and with my friends in the area of whom I hope they are all safe and well.

Totally with you there Sabine. Scary night for all concerned.

But, how does an 18-year old get hold of a gun? German gun ownership is draconian.

[Being645]

.. there's no point in hysteria anyway.

Agreed. If only it hadn't sold so well

Had. Maybe there's a halt to this now. German police (and even the media) have acted remarkably thoughtful this time ... and clearly for the better.
But there was a lot of misinformation on the web ... ... never had that before. Even photos of allegedly German police detaining three guys ... fully faked !!!
So, obviously there's new levels of "entertainment" ... and with that Pokemon banana thing it comes clear that any sort of creature(s) or object(s) can be
projected into any public space on mobile screens ... should be no problem to take a screenshoot either ... ...

... and with my friends in the area of whom I hope they are all safe and well.

Totally with you there Sabine. Scary night for all concerned.

But, how does an 18-year old get hold of a gun? German gun ownership is draconian.

They say the registation number was filed out. So he will have got it from the black market ...
at the age of 18, i.e., quite some years into "scene-life", that should not have served too much of a problem.

[paint it black]

and again

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07 ... n-germany/

[Being645]

and again

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07 ... n-germany/

nothing to do with a terror attack:
The perpetrator is a Syrian asylum-seeker who was working together with his Polish girlfriend at the kebab shop where the incident happened.
He killed her with one of those large kebab-knives, not with a machete, in an act of domestic violence or in an act of honour-killing ... bad enough ... ...
Afterwards he ran outside the kebab and hit two passer-bys until the son of the owner of the kebab followed him with his car and knocked him down with the car.
He was then apprehended by the police.

[nowayjose]

It's picking up pace:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... rn-germany