Von trolling us about the possibility of a new album again
Or: this is what you want ... this is what you get. Oh, no, other band used this as album title.
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If he really needed the money, he'd have already done it. Pledge Music $100,000 and you get a webcast of
doing "Dance On Glass" acoustic.
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MS-DOS 3.30 is/was mentioned alot on the official page.EmmaPeelWannaBe wrote:However, the difficulties with the Doktor could also explain developments. If all his stuff was stored in Windows 95, err ... ok ... and now they've recovered it ...![]()
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... after decades ...
That is way older.
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Even if Trump would get elected (remember Gore), it'd take a while for someone to catch up.
"The last time I decided definitively that a song was finished and untouchable was 2010 [-- interview date Aug, '12]. I’ve written a lot since then, but I’m still tinkering with them. I like to tinker. With computers, information is much more fluid now. A file is infinitely modifiable. So it’s a bit hard to decide when something’s finished. That fluidity does tempt me to be very absorbed with tinkering, which I find a very fulfilling process in itself." - src
Elsewhere, there, the same old song.
"We record bits and pieces from time to time, but we never get around to finishing them, so I don’t think a new album is uppermost in our thoughts. Making an album requires a lot of time and nervous energy and a little bit of money. And I’m not sure my lads want to be tied up for that long doing that – with no prospect of recompense at the end of it."
He's certainly aware of the economical side of it. But time and again, it's like, "Chris & Ben can't be arsed to tinker with me for so long without pay." Obviously, Von is the Sisters, and them lads are his employees. I doubt they'd see much of the album sales, as otherwise, as equal partners, they'd surely be willing to take a stab at it.
"If you needed the money, would there have been another Sisters Of Mercy album by now?
Yes. Although in the current climate, I don’t think that would have made much difference financially. You can’t make money putting out records."
"There’s a difference between being a musician and being a pop star. I think that answers your question about how I would define creativity... And I don’t have the existential need to do [release albums]... I don’t make music for you. I make it for me."
There you have it. A.E. Salinger.
"The last time I decided definitively that a song was finished and untouchable was 2010 [-- interview date Aug, '12]. I’ve written a lot since then, but I’m still tinkering with them. I like to tinker. With computers, information is much more fluid now. A file is infinitely modifiable. So it’s a bit hard to decide when something’s finished. That fluidity does tempt me to be very absorbed with tinkering, which I find a very fulfilling process in itself." - src
Elsewhere, there, the same old song.
"We record bits and pieces from time to time, but we never get around to finishing them, so I don’t think a new album is uppermost in our thoughts. Making an album requires a lot of time and nervous energy and a little bit of money. And I’m not sure my lads want to be tied up for that long doing that – with no prospect of recompense at the end of it."
He's certainly aware of the economical side of it. But time and again, it's like, "Chris & Ben can't be arsed to tinker with me for so long without pay." Obviously, Von is the Sisters, and them lads are his employees. I doubt they'd see much of the album sales, as otherwise, as equal partners, they'd surely be willing to take a stab at it.
"If you needed the money, would there have been another Sisters Of Mercy album by now?
Yes. Although in the current climate, I don’t think that would have made much difference financially. You can’t make money putting out records."
"There’s a difference between being a musician and being a pop star. I think that answers your question about how I would define creativity... And I don’t have the existential need to do [release albums]... I don’t make music for you. I make it for me."
There you have it. A.E. Salinger.
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He could always do a voiceover for a satnav. "Nothing for miles. Go figure"
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Lol on the right is Detonation BoulevardMicrocosmia wrote:He could always do a voiceover for a satnav. "Nothing for miles. Go figure"
To your left is the site of The Temple of Love. But it fell down.
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And watch out for a long black car and a motorcade.EmmaPeelWannaBe wrote:Lol on the right is Detonation BoulevardMicrocosmia wrote:He could always do a voiceover for a satnav. "Nothing for miles. Go figure"
To your left is the site of The Temple of Love. But it fell down.
I'd buy it just the same.
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Yes me too....but I bet it is only available in Jeeps.
My life is one long week of stupid clothing benders.
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All bollocks, of course. Making an album is easier than ever. You don't need expensive producers or studio's anymore.copper wrote:He's certainly aware of the economical side of it. But time and again, it's like, "Chris & Ben can't be arsed to tinker with me for so long without pay." Obviously, Von is the Sisters, and them lads are his employees. I doubt they'd see much of the album sales, as otherwise, as equal partners, they'd surely be willing to take a stab at it.
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There are always solutions like bandcamp, pledgemusic or even just releasing digital only singles / EP's. It adds the advantage of keeping things under control and within budget. Record companies are more and more becoming obsolete.
Face it: the dude doesn't want to release new material anymore. Even Trump can't change that.
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i reckon if time hadnt taken its toll on his voice we would get new material. all other reasons/excuses may have been valid in the past but i think that now they are mostly irrelevant. he's too proud an artist to want his voice as it is now officially recorded, released and laid bare for criticism.
Well I was handsome and I was strong
And I knew the words to every song.
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And I knew the words to every song.
"Did my singing please you?"
"No! The words you sang were wrong!"
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I don't believe that. There such a lot you can do about the vocals with all that tec at hand ...eastmidswhizzkid wrote:i reckon if time hadnt taken its toll on his voice we would get new material. all other reasons/excuses may have been valid in the past but i think that now they are mostly irrelevant. he's too proud an artist to want his voice as it is now officially recorded, released and laid bare for criticism.
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But of course, this idea comes in handy as the m*****n (or whoevertheyare) are waving with olive leaves ...
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He could get a machine to do the singing - I'm sure that must be possible these days even if it wasn't in 1980.Being645 wrote:I don't believe that. There such a lot you can do about the vocals with all that tec at hand ...eastmidswhizzkid wrote:i reckon if time hadnt taken its toll on his voice we would get new material. all other reasons/excuses may have been valid in the past but i think that now they are mostly irrelevant. he's too proud an artist to want his voice as it is now officially recorded, released and laid bare for criticism....
But of course, this idea comes in handy as the m*****n (or whoevertheyare) are waving with olive leaves ...
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About Marx and Eldritch, God and angels
I don't really know what for.
About Marx and Eldritch, God and angels
I don't really know what for.
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he doesnt have songs, or they are lame, and he knows.
he cant sing.
why disturb ones peace, hes content.
hes clever enuff not to record anything anymore, thank god.
he cant sing.
why disturb ones peace, hes content.
hes clever enuff not to record anything anymore, thank god.
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Why do you people think his voice is gone? (It's a real question, could you provide some video links where his voice doesn't sound ok The recent things I heard, which, admittedly, weren't many, sounded fine.)
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It's a habit of Von-bashing that started already in the early days ... and was happily continued by ... they know who they are.Guedzilla wrote:Why do you people think his voice is gone? (It's a real question, could you provide some video links where his voice doesn't sound ok The recent things I heard, which, admittedly, weren't many, sounded fine.)
Of course, there are facts. And of course, there were gigs where the vocals were clearly sup-optimal ... but I know of no singer
who has been attacked to this extent and over such a long time about his performance (on non-performance) as has been
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maybe because most others had long given in ...
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I agree with you Being645, call me green biro, but his voice was sounded really strong last fall and on the recent recordings from Spain and South America. Not how he sounded on the Reptile House EP, but why would he?Being645 wrote:It's a habit of Von-bashing that started already in the early days ... and was happily continued by ... they know who they are.Guedzilla wrote:Why do you people think his voice is gone? (It's a real question, could you provide some video links where his voice doesn't sound ok The recent things I heard, which, admittedly, weren't many, sounded fine.)
Of course, there are facts. And of course, there were gigs where the vocals were clearly sup-optimal ... but I know of no singer
who has been attacked to this extent and over such a long time about his performance (on non-performance) as has been...
maybe because most others had long given in ......
In my case it comes from going to gigs and continually coming away thinking I'd wasted my money, because all I could hear was a tuneless mumble. Most of the time I didn't even know what songs had been played, because there was just a beat and some nondescript guitar lines. This isn't Von-bashing. He's made some great records, which I still love. But I honestly feel insulted that he thinks those concerts are good enough and he takes people's money for them.Being645 wrote:It's a habit of Von-bashing that started already in the early days ... and was happily continued by ... they know who they are.
Any more of that and we'll be round your front door with the quick-setting whitewash and the shaved monkey.
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I don't know when you've last seen them, but I can assure you that Von's vocals were perfectly wonderful in Cologne, Tilburg and Brussels in spring this year. I was there. Especially Tilburg was great as the reopened O13 has absolutely great acoustics now!!! And Ancienne Belgique anyway. Checking the videos from Barcelona to Santiago de Chile shows that the band have spent some effort on harmonising the vocals in general, and really to the advantage of the entire performance. The various audiences all seemed very pleased with what they were presented with. This comes clear through the according "This Corrosion" vids of all of the shows ... full happiness, and no tomatoes ...stufarq wrote:In my case it comes from going to gigs and continually coming away thinking I'd wasted my money, because all I could hear was a tuneless mumble. Most of the time I didn't even know what songs had been played, because there was just a beat and some nondescript guitar lines. This isn't Von-bashing. He's made some great records, which I still love. But I honestly feel insulted that he thinks those concerts are good enough and he takes people's money for them.Being645 wrote:It's a habit of Von-bashing that started already in the early days ... and was happily continued by ... they know who they are.
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Being645 hat's very reassuring to hear that so many people seem to genuinely enjoy the recent gigs in particularBeing645 wrote:I don't know when you've last seen them, but I can assure you that Von's vocals were perfectly wonderful in Cologne, Tilburg and Brussels in spring this year. I was there. Especially Tilburg was great as the reopened O13 has absolutely great acoustics now!!! And Ancienne Belgique anyway. Checking the videos from Barcelona to Santiago de Chile shows that the band have spent some effort on harmonising the vocals in general, and really to the advantage of the entire performance. The various audiences all seemed very pleased with what they were presented with. This comes clear through the according "This Corrosion" vids of all of the shows ... full happiness, and no tomatoes ...stufarq wrote:In my case it comes from going to gigs and continually coming away thinking I'd wasted my money, because all I could hear was a tuneless mumble. Most of the time I didn't even know what songs had been played, because there was just a beat and some nondescript guitar lines. This isn't Von-bashing. He's made some great records, which I still love. But I honestly feel insulted that he thinks those concerts are good enough and he takes people's money for them.Being645 wrote:It's a habit of Von-bashing that started already in the early days ... and was happily continued by ... they know who they are.... Check out the individual gigs along the links in the SistersWiki Gigography, if you don't believe it.
I agree. It's the same as with the album worth of songs they wrote with Pearson and Varjak in '96-'97.Aazhyd wrote:All bollocks, of course. Making an album is easier than ever. You don't need expensive producers or studio's anymore.
Face it: the dude doesn't want to release new material anymore. Even Trump can't change that.
"Adam dislikes digital releases."
Going with that narrative, Adam, effectively, withheld
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The lads get by easier. "Ah, don't want to pester them." How thoughtful. A song a month is too much, then. The one with complete control over the Sisters is the one who makes that call.
A few reasons we can speculate.
Money.
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Fame. Releasing the album would expect
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Fear. The '97 album (or a demo version of it, anyway) was passed by all major labels
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And then he had that motorcycle accident that resulted in a broken leg in 2004 or so, if I can recall from the various allusions he's made to it. It sounded like a pretty serious crash, as he, apparently, took a long while to heal. He had a long time to think about what he wanted out of life from thereon out.
Adam quit during that period and did the 2005 gigs on his way out. Chris'd just come in, and I daresay he deserves a lot of credit for keeping the band alive. Chris set out to make the band travel lighter. They booked the Silver Bullet tour across the US. Ben came in and it was a band reborn.
Only they lack their own music. Still and Arms in the first three years, then nothing. Where's the new live songs he talks up in interviews? Is one new live song a year too much? Apparently. Even if the lads would probably get an amazing kick out of performing a song they could call their own to ecstatic fans. Even if it would sell more tickets. Even if a digital release would make nice pin money.
My guess is it's probably a mixture of fear and pride. Past glories weight heavily on
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If he stays quiet, he's less likely to be exposed as a fraud or has-been as a writer. And he'd hate that.