The Sisters of Mercy Forum
Every time i see this kind of comments around here, this flashes on my mind:panzerfaust wrote:yep. the current band is a bloody joke. if they only were comical..
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- Garbage, Garbage, Garbage! Pure Garbage!
- Does he always comes here??
- Always.
- Interesting innit?
- Indeed it is.
Sorry, but you cannot use that as criticism of the current lineup, or of Von's current attitudes, or of what fans are prepared to accept these days.Mav787 wrote:There are probably 30 different songs they could easily play live but night after night it's the same set list with maybe 1 change.
Oh yes.mh wrote:Sorry, but you cannot use that as criticism of the current lineup, or of Von's current attitudes, or of what fans are prepared to accept these days.Mav787 wrote:There are probably 30 different songs they could easily play live but night after night it's the same set list with maybe 1 change.
If you go back to the 1984/85 setlists and check them out you'll see how the exact same applies to them.
... that's happiness, committment, love, ... and it's got nothing to do with die-hard or elitarian fanship. It's just fun and a top nite out... ...Husek wrote:Every time i see this kind of comments around here, this flashes on my mind:panzerfaust wrote:yep. the current band is a bloody joke. if they only were comical..
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Rough Translation: - Garbage, Garbage, Garbage! Pure Garbage! - Does he always comes here?? - Always. - Interesting innit? - Indeed it is.
You keep telling yourself that......but it does get boring when night after night it's the same songs in the same order. For example Good Things - why is this only ever played in Belgium? Imagine how happy people in the UK would be to hear this just once.Being645 wrote:Oh yes.mh wrote:Sorry, but you cannot use that as criticism of the current lineup, or of Von's current attitudes, or of what fans are prepared to accept these days.Mav787 wrote:There are probably 30 different songs they could easily play live but night after night it's the same set list with maybe 1 change.
If you go back to the 1984/85 setlists and check them out you'll see how the exact same applies to them.
Another thing is that the majority of the audience probably give a damn about changing setlists.
To the contrary, they WANT to see exactly the same great show, they've watched on video the week before and be part of it.
They WAIT for exactly the same tracks being played and for their cue in the crowd chorus ...
pleasure and rock ...
Could the answer to that lie with the local audience, are Belgian audiences especially receptive?Mav787 wrote:You keep telling yourself that......but it does get boring when night after night it's the same songs in the same order. For example Good Things - why is this only ever played in Belgium? Imagine how happy people in the UK would be to hear this just once.Being645 wrote:Oh yes.mh wrote: Sorry, but you cannot use that as criticism of the current lineup, or of Von's current attitudes, or of what fans are prepared to accept these days.
If you go back to the 1984/85 setlists and check them out you'll see how the exact same applies to them.
Another thing is that the majority of the audience probably give a damn about changing setlists.
To the contrary, they WANT to see exactly the same great show, they've watched on video the week before and be part of it.
They WAIT for exactly the same tracks being played and for their cue in the crowd chorus ...
pleasure and rock ...
Maybe so. I've been in the Belgian gigs and the audience are good but so was the audience in Leeds for 2 nights of the XXX tour and they didn't get it.Microcosmia wrote:Could the answer to that lie with the local audience, are Belgian audiences especially receptive?Mav787 wrote:You keep telling yourself that......but it does get boring when night after night it's the same songs in the same order. For example Good Things - why is this only ever played in Belgium? Imagine how happy people in the UK would be to hear this just once.Being645 wrote: Oh yes.
Another thing is that the majority of the audience probably give a damn about changing setlists.
To the contrary, they WANT to see exactly the same great show, they've watched on video the week before and be part of it.
They WAIT for exactly the same tracks being played and for their cue in the crowd chorus ...
pleasure and rock ...
i've never said, and nor has Eldritch, that The Sisters were a joke, or a mockery. his sentiment is quite the opposite: that his is a serious rock n roll band, but that to do rock'n'roll seriously -ie properly- you have to recognise and embrace its ludicrous nature and the humour therein. the sisters arent a joke within rock n roll. they are aware of and are a part of the joke that is rock n roll. indeed one of the finest exponents of the joke. in a non-elitist way.Bartek wrote: Eastmidswhizzkid had some point with remembering us that TSOM, according to AE, is a mockery, a joke of R'n'R.
Still an invalid argument.Mav787 wrote:You keep telling yourself that......but it does get boring when night after night it's the same songs in the same order. For example Good Things - why is this only ever played in Belgium? Imagine how happy people in the UK would be to hear this just once.
Mav787 wrote:[...] the majority of the audience probably give a damn about changing setlists.Being645 wrote:Mav787 wrote:There are probably 30 different songs they could easily play live but night after night it's the same set list with maybe 1 change.
To the contrary, they WANT to see exactly the same great show, they've watched on video the week before and be part of it [...]
It's just fun and a top nite out...
Most people in the audience cannot/would not afford to see any band night after night but only once a year. Why should they get bored?Mav787 wrote:You keep telling yourself that......but it does get boring when night after night it's the same songs in the same order. For example Good Things - why is this only ever played in Belgium? Imagine how happy people in the UK would be to hear this just once.
i wouldn't swap hearing them play No Time To Cry for the first time in 25 years at leamington spa for anything. and i think actually i would rather not here Good Things as IMHO its not played well these days. (i think eldritch probably agrees hence it's scarcity. and for those who missed it that was me criticising The Sisters- frame it.)Being645 wrote:
Also, The Sisters have been playing numerous songs that the audience have dreamed of for decades during the last x tours. .
Off course todays setlists are more varied thatn in 1985,they have two more albums worth of material to choose from after all. Other than that the current Sisters are just a nostalgia act playing thirty year old songs.mh wrote:Still an invalid argument.Mav787 wrote:You keep telling yourself that......but it does get boring when night after night it's the same songs in the same order. For example Good Things - why is this only ever played in Belgium? Imagine how happy people in the UK would be to hear this just once.
If you want to make the claim that the current lineup & gigs suffer by comparison to 1984/85, then you certainly can't use unchanging setlists as part of that claim, because today's setlists are actually more varied than those from back then.
http://db.tsom.org/tours/concerts-setli ... eddon.html
But yet 1983s setlists were more varied than either today, 1984 or 1985.ribbons69 wrote:Off course todays setlists are more varied thatn in 1985,they have two more albums worth of material to choose from after all. Other than that the current Sisters are just a nostalgia act playing thirty year old songs.
Bartek wrote:No, they have "half of setlist includes new songs". And they record all the time.
i first saw the sisters live in 1990 after those 2 extra albums and the setlist still wasn't as varied as now.ribbons69 wrote: Off course todays setlists are more varied thatn in 1985,they have two more albums worth of material to choose from after all. Other than that the current Sisters are just a nostalgia act playing thirty year old songs.
ok the "new songs" are no longer new, but they aren't at all familiar to most of those who are only interested in seeing a nostalgia act. i have heard plaenty of complaints from old friends of mine about the amount of unrecorded (and therefore to the masses unknown) material in the set. on top of that they complain about the modern interpretation of classics, the different guitar sounds etc. if the sisters were just a nostalgia act they would cater more to those people.Bartek wrote:No, they have "half of setlist includes new songs"..
You still sound elitist.eastmidswhizzkid wrote:far from being an elitist statement , when i say true fans i smply mean those of us who still love the band REGARDLESS, as opposed to those who no longer do.
That's a fair point. I love The Cure, but Wild Mood Swings sees more action as a coaster in my house & even then with the creepy clown facing downwards.Mav787 wrote: It's possible to love a band whilst not being entirely happy with things.
Your last sentence sums it all up!Mav787 wrote:You still sound elitist.eastmidswhizzkid wrote:far from being an elitist statement , when i say true fans i smply mean those of us who still love the band REGARDLESS, as opposed to those who no longer do.
I don't think it's healthy to try to define 'true fans'. And loving a band regardless makes it sounds like a cult.
It's possible to love a band whilst not being entirely happy with things.
I understand your view and initially it was one that I shared.Pista wrote:Bottom line is, whether you liked the album or not, FALAA without Eldritch "played as it was in the day" just (IMO) seems wrong. It would have such in important component (the voice) missing. It already suffered, to a lesser degree, when Marx left &, love him or hate him, I still think Wayne really stepped up to finish that tour.
If the sisters would do it, then you likely might enjoy in addition to have wayne doing it. He is part of it also.Pista wrote:
Bottom line is, whether you liked the album or not, FALAA without Eldritch "played as it was in the day" just (IMO) seems wrong. It would have such in important component (the voice) missing. It already suffered, to a lesser degree, when Marx left &, love him or hate him, I still think Wayne really stepped up to finish that tour.
