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Wilkstein wrote:
12 Aug 2020, 20:29
The Cure album is pretty much finished and ready for release.
a no doubt very well written produced and performed collection of strangely dull pop. i KNOW he is the feedback king, the yoda of the one-note solo, the greatest gittar guy yhe banshees ever had , the best advert for tattooed red lips and a word smith to evoke Von-dan-doogles praise.

17 seconds scares covid19 all the way back to covid79....faith is as godless as i'm dogless and Pornography (apart from being a difficult wank) is top shelf (geddit). so if thats what he wants to do 'sup to him innit. shame tho.
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Genevieve, I beggin of you please don't break my heart or ears, or both.
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Bartek wrote:
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Genevieve, I beggin of you please don't break my heart or ears, or both.
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eastmidswhizzkid wrote:
16 Aug 2020, 06:11
Wilkstein wrote:
12 Aug 2020, 20:29
The Cure album is pretty much finished and ready for release.
a no doubt very well written produced and performed collection of strangely dull pop. i KNOW he is the feedback king, the yoda of the one-note solo, the greatest gittar guy yhe banshees ever had , the best advert for tattooed red lips and a word smith to evoke Von-dan-doogles praise.

17 seconds scares covid19 all the way back to covid79....faith is as godless as i'm dogless and Pornography (apart from being a difficult wank) is top shelf (geddit). so if thats what he wants to do 'sup to him innit. shame tho.
LOL "difficult wank"
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This single is sitting on my shelf next to Summer. It was fun while it lasted.
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20 Oct 2020, 20:00
This single is sitting on my shelf next to Summer. It was fun while it lasted.
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TheGoodSon wrote:
20 Oct 2020, 21:34
Electrochrome wrote:
20 Oct 2020, 20:00
This single is sitting on my shelf next to Summer. It was fun while it lasted.
In spite of myself, I feel disappointed. Even saddened.
Must stop myself getting over excited every time I see there's been a post in here!
Maybe I was daft to get my hopes up. 😬
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I think even the Sisters get a pass this time. The pandemic has shot the live music industry to hell, and whatever chances of a single release happening died with it. If I was Von and I had a finished song ready to digitally release for the hell of it, I'd wait until I had live dates to spin around it.

ANYTHING the sisters officially release will get widely reported on, or at least the first one will, and that will drive at least some additional ticket sales.But no gigs means no point. He be even more silly than usual to put anything out with literally NO benefit to him.

I think we'd all like to think that late last year and this year he had a creative resurgence and decided to just put stuff out because he was proud of it, having given up on any kind of commercial kick back. But even so, releasing music now would be very silly.
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Oh yeah, totally agree. Just hope that either next year or the year after things get back to some kind of normality and there's another round of live gigs to drive a release. That said, I'd just settle for another round of live gigs after this year.
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I generally agree totally with what Todashi is saying, but I'm slightly more optimistic - Von will be forced to rethink his Sisters strategy and needs to find a(nother) reliable source of income. We all know it's increasingly unlikely even the March 2021 tour will take place, and in fact the live music industry is SO shot to hell that the band can't even be certain that promoters can afford to pay them when thins return to normal!

About no release July 2020 I'm also totally forgiving, I can think of a number of reasons that plans they allegedly had in the beginning of March this year could not be realized four months later.
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euphoria wrote:
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.... and in fact the live music industry is SO shot to hell that the band can't even be certain that promoters can afford to pay them when thins return to normal!
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This phrase is so true at this very moment and rarely used in dusgustions. That's the truth at this point and for next months. And musicians, bands needs an income that can not be from concerts at this point and for some months (optimistically speaking) to come.
i do believe that the realese of a few 12'' vinyl singles along with other platforms can give a sufficient income to hold.
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We're far more likely to see more t-shirts and other merchandise as this is a far greater source of income nowadays for most bands.
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We're far more likely to see more t-shirts and other merchandise as this is a far greater source of income nowadays for most bands.
I don't doubt they sell a few shirts now and then even when they're not touring, but I really doubt they could live off merch sales unless they expand and promote their offerings massively. It has been possible for many years to buy Sisters merch online, but I think they need gigs to make a living from the band.
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Comment referred to merch versus a 'record' release in the Spotify era.
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Yeah, my fault being unclear, I really wanted to compare merch sales with releasing product as an alternative to touring - that they earn the most from playing live is a fact I guess - but is it not possible at all to live from releases anymore? Not even for a fairly well-known midsize band like the Sisters? I really don't know :?

(releasing product as a means of driving ticket sales is another thing, that I'm sure would pay off, but obviously not possible at the moment)
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The last NMA Album got into the top 20 in UK... number 14? Did they make much money from it...I doubt it. But releasing records is an income as opposed to none. AE also knows damn well that there are thousands of Sisters fans that want to buy products instead of spotify.... why he does nt use this moment to release anything is very strange, unless his pension fund is healthy of course.
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On terms of releasing only because it'll help sell more ticket, it's not entirely acccurate to what we can see nowadays - lost of bands recording and releasing, if not completelty new then at least some concert albums, because it's altenative source of income (no matter how strange it sounds when we're speaking about music). And not forget that this will fuel ticket sale when everything will come back to normal.

But I don't expect to see antyhing as physical or digital product untill it will be on sale.
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GC wrote:
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The last NMA Album got into the top 20 in UK... number 14? Did they make much money from it...I doubt it. But releasing records is an income as opposed to none. AE also knows damn well that there are thousands of Sisters fans that want to buy products instead of spotify.... why he does nt use this moment to release anything is very strange, unless his pension fund is healthy of course.
To be honest I have long held the opinion that Von probably was lucky enough to have some form of an independent income which has enabled him to pursue his contrary path. It probably helps explain some of the decisions made and personnel issues.
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To be honest I think you are totally right :) And I think I have read interviews or other info suggesting something like that (writing, translating?)...but one can hope. I do however think he does find some fulfilment in living off the Sisters too/instead, since it's *his* project. And that project can not generate income through gigs now and probably not even in March. Not saying Corona will bring us product, but the chances are higher than they have been in recent decades, especially combined with the recent "lust" he seems to have got since Dylan joined the band.
Pure speculation but I think Ben is the most dependant on live gigs of those in the Sisters camp.
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euphoria wrote:
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To be honest I think you are totally right :) And I think I have read interviews or other info suggesting something like that (writing, translating?)...but one can hope. I do however think he does find some fulfilment in living off the Sisters too/instead, since it's *his* project. And that project can not generate income through gigs now and probably not even in March. Not saying Corona will bring us product, but the chances are higher than they have been in recent decades, especially combined with the recent "lust" he seems to have got since Dylan joined the band.
Pure speculation but I think Ben is the most dependant on live gigs of those in the Sisters camp.
To be honest I doubt very much he has another job... I would have seen it in Sisters Spotting or Where are they now
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When I interviewed Ben earlier this year, obviously the question about The New Album came up, especially with what had happened in 2019 productivity wise. At one point he threw the question right back at me: What would happen if they actually released a new album, or to be more precise, what would change. Which is an interesting question. I'm sure if Von needed to put out an album to finance whatever lifestyle he has, he probably would have done it by now. The only "chance" I see /saw is /was he's so fond of the new songs and the band feeling that he just says ok then, let's do it. I mean they did release new lyrics after the canceled tour, so something is happening.

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When I interviewed Ben earlier this year, obviously the question about The New Album came up, especially with what had happened in 2019 productivity wise. At one point he threw the question right back at me: What would happen if they actually released a new album, or to be more precise, what would change. Which is an interesting question. I'm sure if Von needed to put out an album to finance whatever lifestyle he has, he probably would have done it by now. The only "chance" I see /saw is /was he's so fond of the new songs and the band feeling that he just says ok then, let's do it. I mean they did release new lyrics after the canceled tour, so something is happening.

tl;dr: We'll have to sit and wait.
What would happen if we released a new album? Is not an interesting question......the answer is quite simple: People would be able to enjoy music the band will be proud of. They might even make 'some' money and the chances of losing any is small. A choice of album/no album in this digital age is quite straightforard, unless of course AE is not happy with the music/is not allowed to release any music.

I'm not saying they have to release anything and am quite happy that they keep playing.
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It would be ignored by a great many people, but also reviewed by the best as one of most eagerly awaited follow up albums in decades. The weight of critical pressure would kill it, tbh.

Unless it was a 27 star rated album (out of 5 stars, obvs), it would get trashed by the music press.

Similarly, if it wasn’t FALAA mk 2, many people would hate it.

And it if wasn’t Floodland mk 2, many other people would hate it.

Etc

He’s in a no win situation with it.

Their sound hasn’t evolved as much since VT as it did between the other albums so a new album now, using their current live sound/style would not be seen as revolutionary, so he wouldn’t get the slack cut him that he did for example with VT

It’s a no win situation for him, critically, and possibly a career and business damaging move. As well as an ego damaging move.

As it stands he has a hardcore following and a reputation that, while slightly diminishing year upon year, is still intact enough to sell gig tickets and keep him in pot noodles.

Releasing anything less than The Best Album Ever (as judged by lots and lots of people, all using different criteria) could be a very bad move for The Sisters’ reputation.

It’s a bad move for his ego and for his business.

At least, that’s what I strongly suspect he thinks. Even though he’s never admit it. 🤷‍♂️

(That was all typed on a phone. Apologies if it doesn’t quite scan!)
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Have been thinking quite a bit whether I believe there is going to be a new record. And I have decided that I do.
I don‘t think he has some sort of an independent income apart from interests from the Sisters of Mercy fund he mentioned. During the recent interviews he also mentioned that if for some reason he had to take a very long sabbatical he could always generate an income doing computer stuff. That is probably right, but I think that would only be second best to him. And the fact that he thinks about getting an income without touring tells me that he needs it.
However I don‘t think generating an income would be his motivation for releasing a record. Despite him always mentioning doing it if somebody gave him a few million dollars, I think it‘s more about whether he would want to put that much time and work into recording and promoting a record - in fact, if he can be bothered.
My gut feeling is that now he actually can, particularly with the lack of much else to do. I‘m always an optimist. Knowing how long he always takes to finish something, we will just have to wait - hopefully! :wink:
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