Eldritch is no longer funny

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Classic 'old' Eldritch. Sick? Yes, that was the whole point.

Remember his 'Heroes' in MM? Norman Tebbit, Klaus Kinski etc. - again sick but utterly hilarious.

The last funny thing Eldritch did was 'War on Drugs'. That was 24 years ago.

He doesn't play that song anymore. He isn't funny anymore.

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IMO Mark's interview from the other thread contradicts your thesis. Several genuine laugh-out-loud moments in that.

Also, the interview from 1991? Cocaine is a hell of a drug...
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Yes, Mark, that interview was very refreshing to read. But I think my point still stands to a certain extent. It may be that, historically, Eldritch has had certain enemies/dislikes that he nevertheless felt had some perversely if not redeeming then dangerously attractive features. That's how I would rationalise him having Norman Tebbit as a 'hero' but never Thatcher herself. I wonder what he thinks of Jacob Rees-Mogg? On second thoughts, I'm sure he despises him. Does he still think/would he still say that the Nazis had the best uniforms? Maybe/Probably not - you can never be too careful about this sort of thing these days. Does he still think nuclear explosions look and sound awesome? Perhaps. I guess what I'm getting at is something more specific than my original concern:

Does Eldritch still separate ethics from aesthetics?

Relatedly, often and especially on Floodland, Eldritch comes across as domineering and patrician. Not the kind of characteristics one would naturally associate with the left-wing political stance Eldritch insists The Sisters have always taken. I'm not questioning this stance but am suggesting that it's hard to reconcile it with the posture The Sisters have sometimes taken. Case in point: "We got the Empire" etc. My provisional solution to this problem is that not all Sisters songs are political and that e.g. the 'Empire' is to be understood figuratively. And we should also understand that Eldritch is an actor, explicitly so on Vision Thing ('dramatis personae' etc.) and less explicitly but still the case on e.g. his Maoist masterpiece, Heartland.

Back to Floodland, yes he sounds domineering and patrician, but this is to do with the gravitas of the situation. There's no acting here. His tone communicates the seriousness of the matter at hand. I'm answering my own question, I suppose, in realising that this is not about left/right politics.
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I always find :von: interviews quite strained. I see very little humor just somebody looking for a soundbite without any depth. Not a criticism, just noting the way he chooses to play in the park.
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XidiouX wrote:
13 Sep 2021, 14:35
... his Maoist masterpiece, Heartland...
? "This is a song about cars, speed, speed and more speed. But above all, it's about speed. This is called Heartland."
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markfiend wrote:
15 Sep 2021, 10:08
XidiouX wrote:
13 Sep 2021, 14:35
... his Maoist masterpiece, Heartland...
? "This is a song about cars, speed, speed and more speed. But above all, it's about speed. This is called Heartland."
... :lol: ...
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Times change. Some of the things he said back in the day were cringeworthy. We've all been out of our face in our 20s and talked **** to be fair and whilst I'm not one for hunting down people because of a tweet when they were 12, hating the French etc wasn't funny then and hasn't aged well. Hell, imaging Bowie talking about how cool fascist uniforms and the like were nowadays. We might get what he means but he'd be slaughtered. The funniest and most perceptive Von's been was on Vision Thing, a very prophetic record with in my opinion his best lyrics.
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