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I just thought of something - the first Sisters-related song with a sequenced bassline was "Giving Ground", which I don't think was ever played live precisely until the Doktor evolved enough to do bass on stage. So it might be that the basslines to the new songs couldn't be played properly by a human.
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H. Blackrose wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 07:32 I just thought of something - the first Sisters-related song with a sequenced bassline was "Giving Ground", which I don't think was ever played live precisely until the Doktor evolved enough to do bass on stage. So it might be that the basslines to the new songs couldn't be played properly by a human.
Not without an awful lot of effort. A good enough bassist has been discussed, but you also need the tech setup and EQ prowess to wrangle it to fit in the mix (volume, effects, changing the bass 'voice'), in the same way the doctor does on a nightly basis.
On 'Here', for example, the bass is so inherently bonded to the 'welcome ro the machine' esque minimoog chugging sound, that any rhythmic wrongdoings or tonal misgivings on the bassists part would stand out like a sore bassline. The optimal way to perform them is, as andrew says, his call. I think this is right.
On the other hand, she's a monster sounds like it was written to be played with a real bassist. It's got so much space that in my opinion, it would have been just as good had Dylan been playing a bass guitar instead.
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LyanvisAberrant wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 12:35
H. Blackrose wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 07:32 I just thought of something - the first Sisters-related song with a sequenced bassline was "Giving Ground", which I don't think was ever played live precisely until the Doktor evolved enough to do bass on stage. So it might be that the basslines to the new songs couldn't be played properly by a human.
Not without an awful lot of effort. A good enough bassist has been discussed, but you also need the tech setup and EQ prowess to wrangle it to fit in the mix (volume, effects, changing the bass 'voice'), in the same way the doctor does on a nightly basis.
On 'Here', for example, the bass is so inherently bonded to the 'welcome ro the machine' esque minimoog chugging sound, that any rhythmic wrongdoings or tonal misgivings on the bassists part would stand out like a sore bassline. The optimal way to perform them is, as andrew says, his call. I think this is right.
On the other hand, she's a monster sounds like it was written to be played with a real bassist. It's got so much space that in my opinion, it would have been just as good had Dylan been playing a bass guitar instead.
This is 100% correct.
As someone who is constantly playing/recording sisters songs, this rings VERY true.

What I do sometimes is doubling the bass, combining a sequenced bassline with a real bass, and then 'tame' it in the mix, or end up using the human bass for non-rhythmic purposes.
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H. Blackrose wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 07:32 I just thought of something - the first Sisters-related song with a sequenced bassline was "Giving Ground", which I don't think was ever played live precisely until the Doktor evolved enough to do bass on stage. So it might be that the basslines to the new songs couldn't be played properly by a human.
I believe Blood Money (and presumably Bury Me Deep as well) was talked about as having a sequenced bassline as well, apparently relations in the band were sufficiently bad at the time they were recorded that Craig wasn't involved.
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mh wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 16:53
H. Blackrose wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 07:32 I just thought of something - the first Sisters-related song with a sequenced bassline was "Giving Ground", which I don't think was ever played live precisely until the Doktor evolved enough to do bass on stage. So it might be that the basslines to the new songs couldn't be played properly by a human.
I believe Blood Money (and presumably Bury Me Deep as well) was talked about as having a sequenced bassline as well, apparently relations in the band were sufficiently bad at the time they were recorded that Craig wasn't involved.
Is it sequenced or just played on a synth? I'm sure a couple of the FALAA tracks have a synth bass line (esp. "A Rock and a Hard Place")
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H. Blackrose wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 23:11
mh wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 16:53
H. Blackrose wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 07:32 I just thought of something - the first Sisters-related song with a sequenced bassline was "Giving Ground", which I don't think was ever played live precisely until the Doktor evolved enough to do bass on stage. So it might be that the basslines to the new songs couldn't be played properly by a human.
I believe Blood Money (and presumably Bury Me Deep as well) was talked about as having a sequenced bassline as well, apparently relations in the band were sufficiently bad at the time they were recorded that Craig wasn't involved.
Is it sequenced or just played on a synth? I'm sure a couple of the FALAA tracks have a synth bass line (esp. "A Rock and a Hard Place")
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What about Afterhours? There seem to be 2 bass lines, one that's playing constantly, that I would think is sequenced (altough, could it have been done back then?) and another line that plays a few notes only during the chorus.
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Guedzilla wrote: 05 Feb 2024, 16:59 What about Afterhours? There seem to be 2 bass lines, one that's playing constantly, that I would think is sequenced (altough, could it have been done back then?) and another line that plays a few notes only during the chorus.
Good point, I forgot that one. But it's never been played live except as an intro tape (has it?)
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mh wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 23:35
H. Blackrose wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 23:11
mh wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 16:53

I believe Blood Money (and presumably Bury Me Deep as well) was talked about as having a sequenced bassline as well, apparently relations in the band were sufficiently bad at the time they were recorded that Craig wasn't involved.
Is it sequenced or just played on a synth? I'm sure a couple of the FALAA tracks have a synth bass line (esp. "A Rock and a Hard Place")
You could be right, yes.
Blood Money and Bury Me Deep are bass synths. Rock and a hard place is a bass flange/phaser effect which might have been fiddled with for the start of the mack mix ( on the last magician mix) but the bass isnt sequenced . like most of FALAA i think the bass is played by Wayne.
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As an aside does anyone else think it’s odd that Here isn’t listed among the new songs on the official site?

Possible it’s a new name for one of the unheard ones (eg We are on this plane)?

Or more likely,, Von just couldn’t be arsed to update the list…
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DJW wrote: 29 Feb 2024, 19:32 As an aside does anyone else think it’s odd that Here isn’t listed among the new songs on the official site?

Possible it’s a new name for one of the unheard ones (eg We are on this plane)?

Or more likely,, Von just couldn’t be arsed to update the list…
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H. Blackrose wrote: 05 Feb 2024, 23:01
Guedzilla wrote: 05 Feb 2024, 16:59 What about Afterhours? There seem to be 2 bass lines, one that's playing constantly, that I would think is sequenced (altough, could it have been done back then?) and another line that plays a few notes only during the chorus.
Good point, I forgot that one. But it's never been played live except as an intro tape (has it?)
Oh, you're right :roll:
Somehow it didn't even cross my mind that it could be studio multitracking. :lol:
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eastmidswhizzkid wrote: 19 Feb 2024, 00:51
mh wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 23:35
H. Blackrose wrote: 02 Feb 2024, 23:11

Is it sequenced or just played on a synth? I'm sure a couple of the FALAA tracks have a synth bass line (esp. "A Rock and a Hard Place")
You could be right, yes.
Blood Money and Bury Me Deep are bass synths. Rock and a hard place is a bass flange/phaser effect which might have been fiddled with for the start of the mack mix ( on the last magician mix) but the bass isnt sequenced . like most of FALAA i think the bass is played by Wayne.
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One thing I introduced to the proceedings was essentially the same thing that I had introduced to Dead Or Alive. On the song that came to be known as 'A Rock And A Hard Place'. I played the bass with a triggered gate over it to give it that clean, sequenced duh-duh-duh, duh-duh-duh which propels the song in a very mechanical way. This time though, introducing the sequencer effect into the equation didn't ultimately lose me my job.
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Is this the ”New songs” thread?
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Andrew only playing new songs at gigs was a clever concept which very effectively kept the attendances high when other heritage acts are playing to ever smaller audiences.
But given his voice is shot then the only way to do the new songs justice is in a recorded setting.
Otherwise like all other heritage acts he will ultimately fade away.
Better to be brave and he just might not crash and burn.
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Moderate Mick wrote: 04 Aug 2024, 08:27 Andrew only playing new songs at gigs was a clever concept which very effectively kept the attendances high when other heritage acts are playing to ever smaller audiences.
But given his voice is shot then the only way to do the new songs justice is in a recorded setting.
Otherwise like all other heritage acts he will ultimately fade away.
Better to be brave and he just might not crash and burn.
Then again, there are many young fans in the crowds now. And for someone who has never heard anything but the new songs, Von's voice is just a voice as it is with its very own expression. Not more and not less. The guitars, the arrangements, the songs and the band altogether are just great. So why should they fade away in today's world of one-track streaming and downloads? And those who like the new songs and start digging for other stuff will find an exciting and sufficient load of old treasures... :wink: ...
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I'm hoping that over the years he's wise enough to have recorded the new/unreleased songs and stashed them away for a rainy day.
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Dan wrote: 04 Aug 2024, 16:06 I'm hoping that over the years he's wise enough to have recorded the new/unreleased songs and stashed them away for a rainy day.
I say there is a 100% chance that he has high quality demos of everything
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Feel to me like the admins can unpin this thread...
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mugabe wrote: 04 Aug 2024, 00:10 Is this the ”New songs” thread?
Well it was supposed to be :)
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Husek wrote: 04 Oct 2024, 14:02
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alanm wrote: 05 Aug 2024, 07:05 Feel to me like the admins can unpin this thread...
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doctor_jeep wrote: 04 Oct 2024, 19:40
Husek wrote: 04 Oct 2024, 14:02
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Sounds f**king epic...
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Typical Von perversity - announces a totally new song and reworking a couple of others, and then unveils one we'd all forgotten about. :lol:
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H. Blackrose wrote: 05 Oct 2024, 00:36
seldom been happier to be wrong :)
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