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- RicheyJames
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no i wouldn't. african-american is a horrible politically-correct construction because (white) americans are scared of the word black. which is why teresa heinz kerry was derided when she referred to herself as an african-american because, although she was born and raised in mozambique and went to university in south africa, she's white.markfiend wrote:I don't know about that; you'd have trouble trying to argue a similar case with even an 28th (or whatever) generation African-American.RicheyJames wrote:...third-generation: pushing it. anything else: get over it and stop trying to make yourself sound more interesting by claiming some spurious secondary nationality.
"contradictions are meaningless, there's nothing to betray"
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OK smart-arse, go up to Ice-T and tell him he's not African American. Dare you.
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I never self-identified with Ireland.markfiend wrote:What I meant was an English phenomenon whereby people who would normally self-identify as English suddenly become Irish when (a) Eire are in the World Cup and England aren't, or (b) it's St Patrick's day.
I wish I could
This year, it'll be the sixth time I go to sweet Irelund fer the holidays and I just love the country.
And there's nothing that beats Guinness and Midleton whiskey
'cept for Belgian beer, of course....
IZ.
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but i never said that he wasn't.markfiend wrote:OK smart-arse, go up to Ice-T and tell him he's not African American. Dare you.
"contradictions are meaningless, there's nothing to betray"
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OK then, ask him if he is African America, and if he says yes, say to himRicheyJames wrote:but i never said that he wasn't.markfiend wrote:OK smart-arse, go up to Ice-T and tell him he's not African American. Dare you.
Better?get over it and stop trying to make yourself sound more interesting by claiming some spurious secondary nationality.
The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.
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- RicheyJames
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not really, no. for a start "africa" isn't a nation state so it would be impossible to claim "african" as any sort of nationality.
more to the point, what i was getting at is that the term "african-american" is a special case in that it is defined purely in racial terms. which is why mrs heinz kerry is not considered to be an african-american despite arguably having far closer links to africa than the majority of those who do consider themselves to be african-american. is that any clearer?
more to the point, what i was getting at is that the term "african-american" is a special case in that it is defined purely in racial terms. which is why mrs heinz kerry is not considered to be an african-american despite arguably having far closer links to africa than the majority of those who do consider themselves to be african-american. is that any clearer?
"contradictions are meaningless, there's nothing to betray"
Heritage and nationality is an interesting debate, especially how each individual perceives themselves. Craving history is one perspective. I'm Northern Irish (both parents born there; I was born there) but probably consider myself English having lived most of my life in this country. Plus Northern Ireland don't have a very good football team, Spain 82 excluded.
Tracing back the family tree shows that I'm descended from French Huguenots fleeing catholic persecution in the 17th century. My surname now has an anglicised pronunciation but look in any Paris phone book and there's hundreds of us. Does that mean I'm about to start supporting Arsenal, putting garlic on my cornflakes and washing once a week? I doubt it.
Tracing back the family tree shows that I'm descended from French Huguenots fleeing catholic persecution in the 17th century. My surname now has an anglicised pronunciation but look in any Paris phone book and there's hundreds of us. Does that mean I'm about to start supporting Arsenal, putting garlic on my cornflakes and washing once a week? I doubt it.
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Which is quite understandable.
Which is quite understandable.
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What are you talking about, Derry city rules Tis the only football shirt I have ever owned ....erm, and lostJohnny Boy wrote: Plus Northern Ireland don't have a very good football team, Spain 82 excluded.
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Ah go on then. You win you bugger. Of course I knew what you were driving at, I was just being argumentative.
But if someone wishes to call themselves Irish, however many generations ago their ancestors left the 'old country', you might as well let them. People can call themselves dinosaurs for all I care.
Ah go on then. You win you bugger. Of course I knew what you were driving at, I was just being argumentative.
But if someone wishes to call themselves Irish, however many generations ago their ancestors left the 'old country', you might as well let them. People can call themselves dinosaurs for all I care.
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I'M SPARTACUS
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- RicheyJames
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but they can't just leave it at that can they? oh no, they have to ram their leprechaun-faced, guiness-soiled, clover-leafed "celebrations" down everyone else's throat as well. which just encourages those wankers who suddenly turn irish once a year (or when the irish football team qualifies for a major tournament). and now the sodding card shops have got in on the act so we'll never be bloody rid of it....markfiend wrote:But if someone wishes to call themselves Irish, however many generations ago their ancestors left the 'old country', you might as well let them.
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No-one forces anyone to celebrate. It's an excuse to get pi$$ed really!
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curmudgeon An ill-tempered person full of resentment and stubborn notions.
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You need an excuse?Sexygoth wrote:No-one forces anyone to celebrate. It's an excuse to get pi$$ed really!
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which just leads to the pubs being full of amateur drinkers who'd normally be tucked-up at home with a mug of cocoa and their inspector morse videos. it's nearly as bad as christmas...Sexygoth wrote:It's an excuse to get pi$$ed really!
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Will you be in the pub this eve?RicheyJames wrote:which just leads to the pubs being full of amateur drinkers who'd normally be tucked-up at home with a mug of cocoa and their inspector morse videos. it's nearly as bad as christmas...Sexygoth wrote:It's an excuse to get pi$$ed really!
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Not me, never.markfiend wrote:You need an excuse?Sexygoth wrote:No-one forces anyone to celebrate. It's an excuse to get pi$$ed really!
I think someone set my soul alight
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nope. i shall be at home with a bottle of wine and a beautiful woman.Sexygoth wrote:Will you be in the pub this eve?
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You've ruined my argument now you sodRicheyJames wrote:nope. i shall be at home with a bottle of wine and a beautiful woman.Sexygoth wrote:Will you be in the pub this eve?
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No you won't ever be bloody rid of the Irish.RicheyJames wrote:but they can't just leave it at that can they? oh no, they have to ram their leprechaun-faced, guiness-soiled, clover-leafed "celebrations" down everyone else's throat as well. which just encourages those **** who suddenly turn irish once a year (or when the irish football team qualifies for a major tournament). and now the sodding card shops have got in on the act so we'll never be bloody rid of it....markfiend wrote:But if someone wishes to call themselves Irish, however many generations ago their ancestors left the 'old country', you might as well let them.
So go have a drink and calm yourself down.
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Aww, Izzy your sweet!Izzy HaveMercy wrote:I never self-identified with Ireland.markfiend wrote:What I meant was an English phenomenon whereby people who would normally self-identify as English suddenly become Irish when (a) Eire are in the World Cup and England aren't, or (b) it's St Patrick's day.
I wish I could
This year, it'll be the sixth time I go to sweet Irelund fer the holidays and I just love the country.
And there's nothing that beats Guinness and Midleton whiskey
'cept for Belgian beer, of course....
IZ.
If I could I'd hug you.
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Bloody hell! Decide to finally get some work done before going off for a long wekend and look what I miss. You should know by now that Richey's impossible to argue with cos he's a master of the art of "that's not what I meant tho". And he seems to be suffering from nicotine withdrawal. My Nanna was Irish. She wasn't particularly proud of it, having had to come to England to get work, but there you go. Now I'm off to sink a few and watch the leprechauns nodding on my mantlepiece.
Go to sleep now, Francis.