kill Jean-Marie. 1 out of 5. unnecessary gore fest
god i'm annoyed
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Aah. I've been rather distracted this week by Fashion's Fabrique album which seems to be stuck in my car's CD player. Not that I'm complaining. You can get a bit sick of politicians who have mastered the art of bluff and journalists constantly trying to prove they were right.Padstar wrote:Radio 4 was going mad about it the other day
Benjamin Franklin wrote:Those who would give up essential liberties for a measure of security, deserve neither liberty nor security.
I don't agree that Muslim nutter is the same as Le Pen.Gripper wrote:The UK imprisons and then expels a muslim cleric (has he gone yet?) who tries (allegedly) to incite trouble. (Sorry, can't remember his name) Le Pen needs to be judged in the same way. Keep him out.
markfiend wrote:On a purely pragmatic note concerning Abu Hamza, where would you rather have him? In the UK where the security forces can keep a very close watch on him, or in Afghanistan where one can get hold of an AK47 or several pounds of Semtex on any street corner?
interesting metaphor. i'll employ one. ostrich mentalityPadstar wrote:A lot of points well made, i cant help but feel though that ide still rather he wasnt here. Its all about lines in the sand and what crosses them, where they should be and who crosses them first.
Paddy.
Fair play in a sense, i find it hard to say go away and be happy to live in a country of (relatively) free speech. If you need a non-ostrich standpoint then i would prefer that they just didnt let the man in the country,but then how much better than him does that make me?paint it black wrote:interesting metaphor. i'll employ one. ostrich mentalityPadstar wrote:A lot of points well made, i cant help but feel though that ide still rather he wasnt here. Its all about lines in the sand and what crosses them, where they should be and who crosses them first.
Paddy.
bollox, any fool can get into mensaPadstar wrote:
I just dont have your brainpower PIB
Paddy.
I'm not quite sure that's entirely the case. The Sept 11th terrorists may have been known to the FBI but I'm pretty sure they'd dropped out of sight; the FBI has pretty much admitted that they "dropped the ball" as the saying goes. I'm pretty sure that if Abu Hamza tries to get onto a flight, his bags are pretty thoroughly checked... I don't have a feckin' clue about the Madrid bombers though.Black Shuck wrote:That whole argument about 'keeping potential terrorists close so they can be monitored' is a nice theory, but total bollocks in practice.
The Sept. 11th terrorists and the Madrid bombers were all known, monitored, legitimate citizens. And no-one had a fecking CLUE that they were gonna carry out their atrocities.
What? Bin Laden is based in Afghanistan; did he not mastermind Sept 11th?Black Shuck wrote:on the other hand. if we sent that Hamza fella back to the middle East, he, like Bin Laden and his cronies, wouldn't be able to do a thing to hurt the Western world.
Think about it- No terrorist based in the middle East has yet managed to attack the west, which surely proves that they are 100% unable to.
Black Shuck wrote:Oooh I love it when we get all political! RicheyJames would be SO proud...
I think that's fair enough. I was just trying to point out that there are valid reasons for having him here, as well as valid reasons for kicking him out. Where do you draw the lines in the sand? And what happens when the tide comes in and washes the lines away? Sorry it's gone a bit mixed-metaphor crazy nowPadstar wrote:A lot of points well made, i cant help but feel though that ide still rather he wasnt here. Its all about lines in the sand and what crosses them, where they should be and who crosses them first.
Paddy.
This is a good point. For all its failings, Britain ain't such a bad old place is it? I can think of a lot of places that Britain is better than, but not many that it's worse thanPadstar wrote:...i find it hard to say go away and be happy to live in a country of (relatively) free speech...
I actually think it was a case of the BNP thinking, "right, we're so marginalised, hardly anyone takes us seriously, what can we do to whip up a bit of controversy? Oh there's that French dude who was runner-up in the presidential elections, now he might get us some media coverage."Ian - Rhythm Smurph wrote:The thing that puzzles me about all this is why a British Nationalist party is making links with a French Nationalist - surely in both of their anti EC stance's there is a certain hypocracy (surely not) in striving to create international nationalist solidarity!?!