Posted: 29 Aug 2007, 11:43
You do have a point. Stereotyping people was probably part of the problem in this sad case.silentNate wrote:Using terms like 'chav' and 'wigger' does not suggest any great intellectual thought or argument.
You do have a point. Stereotyping people was probably part of the problem in this sad case.silentNate wrote:Using terms like 'chav' and 'wigger' does not suggest any great intellectual thought or argument.
Sounds like the same person to me.markfiend wrote:Well, since you ask, and this is my interpretation, a "wigger" is a white person pretending to be black. A contraction of "white n****r".
A chav is white, probably unemployed, wears baseball cap, hooded top, cheap-but-flash-looking jewellery.
Eminem is a wigger I guess.canon docre wrote:Sounds like the same person to me.markfiend wrote:Well, since you ask, and this is my interpretation, a "wigger" is a white person pretending to be black. A contraction of "white n****r".
A chav is white, probably unemployed, wears baseball cap, hooded top, cheap-but-flash-looking jewellery.
Both thugs too apparentlycanon docre wrote:Sounds like the same person to me.markfiend wrote:Well, since you ask, and this is my interpretation, a "wigger" is a white person pretending to be black. A contraction of "white n****r".
A chav is white, probably unemployed, wears baseball cap, hooded top, cheap-but-flash-looking jewellery.
How are they "stereotypes," though? African-American, Latino, and Caucasian gangsters and thugs exist all over the U.S.; Chicago and Los Angeles are legendary hotbeds of very real drug turf wars fought by infamous gangs with guns more powerful than those possessed by the local law enforcement. These are realities - subcultures - not stereotypes. Eminem, a Caucasian male, has long adopted the posturing and "thug" rapping/clothing styles of African-American rappers. "Wigger" isn't a stereotype, it's a derogatory slang term for a very real subculture.markfiend wrote:Well, since you ask, and this is my interpretation, a "wigger" is a white person pretending to be black. A contraction of "white n****r".
A chav is white, probably unemployed, wears baseball cap, hooded top, cheap-but-flash-looking jewellery.
Stupid stereotypes really.
Generally-speaking, yes.Pista wrote:Both thugs too apparentlycanon docre wrote:Sounds like the same person to me.markfiend wrote:Well, since you ask, and this is my interpretation, a "wigger" is a white person pretending to be black. A contraction of "white n****r".
A chav is white, probably unemployed, wears baseball cap, hooded top, cheap-but-flash-looking jewellery.
That theme's explored to an extent in Robert R. McCammon's "Swan Song."silentNate wrote:"What monstrosities would walk the streets were some people's faces as unfinished as their minds."
Eric Hoffer
It seems to me that only the "animals" in human societies believe themselves to be above other animals...markfiend wrote:I dare say you're right dei. It's one of life's comforting illusions isn't it, that we're "better" than animals.
-No, but they've been included in intelligent discussions by folks here who see a monstrous problem and don't quite know how to about finding a solution. I've not seen your take on solving the overarching crisis that's led to members of these subcultures feeling a compelling need to snuff out the members of others...silentNate wrote:Using terms like 'chav' and 'wigger' does not suggest any great intellectual thought or argument. I also find it interesting that 'itnAklipse' would, "want the social structure of ancient Rome" as it is obvious to anyone bundling wood to start a fire that he is a fascist.
Whilst I feel bad for the poor girl who is dead I find little humanity in many of the responses here.
Does that include the salvery and complete lack of women's rights?itnAklipse wrote:At any rate, i want the social structure of ancient Rome.
I'm highly uncomfortable with that modern, very broad, definition of a tribe. Not all human groups should be called tribes. IMHO a tribe isn't quite the same as a social class, for instance. And nu metal fans aren't a tribe by any means. They're just a bunch of wankers.Syberberg wrote: @Eric: We do still divide ourselves into "tribes", but it's usually an adherance to an idea, eg. political affiliation, or by wealth, rather than a geographical or familial division.
Re. nu-metal fansBadlander wrote: I'm highly uncomfortable with that modern, very broad, definition of a tribe. Not all human groups should be called tribes. IMHO a tribe isn't quite the same as a social class, for instance. And nu metal fans aren't a tribe by any means. They're just a bunch of wankers.
Don't remember there being an alternative night at "The Arena" either. They had a great Drum n' Bass night once a month called "On It!" saw some of the greats at that one (A Guy Called Gerald with Normski MC'ing )Syberberg wrote:That's deffo not The Arena then. I never went out on Friday night in Boro, so I can't help ya on that one mate And it's been nearly 10 years since I wandered around Boro, the map on my head is getting a bit faulty.Big Si wrote:I remember t'other was defo on a Friday night and was a wee 2 floor club up a flight of stairs, just outside of the Cleveland Centre (near the old Our Price Record shop). I'm going back to 1991-1992Syberberg wrote: Blazes was Thursday and Saturday, The Gemini Thursdays and the upstairs/downstairs was The Arena.
Not an alternative night as such, more like the indie room at Blazes, it was upstairs, where the bands played, downstairs was the dance and chart stuff. Never knew about the D'n'B night though, but then I hardly went to The Arena, I stuck with Blazes. But that was mid-90's, early 90's I was living in Leeds.Big Si wrote:Don't remember there being an alternative night at "The Arena" either. They had a great Drum n' Bass night once a month called "On It!" saw some of the greats at that one (A Guy Called Gerald with Normski MC'ing )Syberberg wrote:That's deffo not The Arena then. I never went out on Friday night in Boro, so I can't help ya on that one mate And it's been nearly 10 years since I wandered around Boro, the map on my head is getting a bit faulty.Big Si wrote: I remember t'other was defo on a Friday night and was a wee 2 floor club up a flight of stairs, just outside of the Cleveland Centre (near the old Our Price Record shop). I'm going back to 1991-1992
Not in Thatcher's Britian it wasn't, the general messege was "Greed is good." A lot of the socio-political/economic theory and policy making decisions at the time were based on Game Theory.eotunun wrote: I may be romanticising things a bit, but I feel the pop culture of the eighties was a bit more idealistic and humane with the ideas it transported.
That's one of the major roots of today's problems right there. You keep telling people that they're worthless, and sooner or later they'll start to believe you.that Thatcher woman wrote:There's no such thing as society, there are individual men and women and there are families.
Agreed 100%markfiend wrote:Heh. Indeed.That's one of the major roots of today's problems right there. You keep telling people that they're worthless, and sooner or later they'll start to believe you.that Thatcher woman wrote:There's no such thing as society, there are individual men and women and there are families.
I was reminded of that quote earlier today; on the BBC Yorkshire local news, they had a soundbite of Dennis Healy (whose 90th birthday it is today) being disgusted by that Thatcher quote.Syberberg wrote:Agreed 100%markfiend wrote:Heh. Indeed.That's one of the major roots of today's problems right there. You keep telling people that they're worthless, and sooner or later they'll start to believe you.that Thatcher woman wrote:There's no such thing as society, there are individual men and women and there are families.
Didn't Healy also describe Thatcher's policies as being as one-dimentional and subtle as a cartoon-strip?markfiend wrote:I was reminded of that quote earlier today; on the BBC Yorkshire local news, they had a soundbite of Dennis Healy (whose 90th birthday it is today) being disgusted by that Thatcher quote.Syberberg wrote:Agreed 100%markfiend wrote:Heh. Indeed. That's one of the major roots of today's problems right there. You keep telling people that they're worthless, and sooner or later they'll start to believe you.