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Being645 wrote:As far as I remember, 1986 was the time when the first generation of samplers appeared ...

There is an interview around that time with Andrew in which he is bragging about how advanced the Doktor had become and how he made his own samples for use on Floodland. It may be on Hal's site in the interview section. Otherwise, even though this is Doktor specific I think it is relevant and also refers to his page on samplers:

"By the time 'Floodland' was being written, Andrew had spent all the ready cash on a computer and a sequencer, and was looking for a reasonably priced midi drum machine with a tighter snare drum. So he got a Yamaha RX5 for the snare sound (the kick was quite tight too) and wrote the album with that.

Having already abused the sampling delay units of that era (and some very complicated chains of painstakingly-tuned Drawmer gates) to trigger captured drum sounds, the first dedicated samplers were a godsend. Until then, even the AMS delay unit had a maximum seven seconds of memory, and that cost a fortune. A rare treat. Mostly we had only had access to Bel units with a couple of seconds at 8 bit resolution. Both had to be triggered by hand or audio key. By the time 'Floodland' was recorded, we had an

Akai S900 sampler. Like manna from heaven. Most of the drums on 'Floodland' came via the Akai. The DMX toms were resampled from the drum machine and off tape. Resampled RX5 kick, snare and hats formed the rest of the skeleton crew. We've been creating samples ever since, but we don't collect much any more; one encounters the same old samples circulating the globe under different names. Some of them sound suspiciously like they've been sampled off Sisters records.

It's been a long time since we changed one of the Doktor's standard voices. We've created and collected a lot of "special effects" drum sounds, but we don't use them live because the sound would vary too wildly from song to song. It's not a practical solution unless you have everything submixed with automation - or running off a tape machine, like certain electronic bands we know (and all of the very famous ones we don't know). They might as well just play the record. We like a bit of risk, and we like to be able to tinker with things from concert to concert.
The Akai S900 is still a perfectly fine drum sampler. Its grainy sound can be an advantage. We nevertheless upgraded to the

Akai S1000 sampler. This is still the core of the onstage Doktor. For recording we use an Akai S3200 in case we want to take a digital output. The various merits of these two samplers are discussed briefly on the Samplers page."

http://www.thesistersofmercy.com/tech/doktors.htm

Being645 wrote:As far as I remember, 1986 was the time when the first generation of samplers appeared ...

No, much earlier than that. Peter Gabriel and Kate Bush were using the Fairlight CMI on albums they released in 1980; ABC's The Look Of Love has been cited as the first remix based on samples; and Ultravox used sampled percussion on White China in 1984. There must be loads of other examples and I'm pretty sure that Gabriel got his sampler after someone had seen it being used in America, which means they probably go back a year or so earlier.

... aha, thanks for these details ...

stufarq wrote:Dominion sounds synth to me.

I agree with markfiend that This Corrosion has real bass as well as synth.

I'd agree pretty much with the rest but does anyone know how good synths were at producing authentic bass sounds in 1986? Could they have produced something that sounds like a real bass and fooled us on tracks like Lucretia etc that appear to be obviously real?

I'm thinking just the verse riff of This Corrosion... sounds like there's some real bass in the chorus, etc.

Re: old synths- there seems to be too much subtle variation in Lucretia to be a synth from that era. And why bother, really- probably quicker just to play that one than program it.

stufarq wrote:Peter Gabriel and Kate Bush were using the Fairlight CMI on albums they released in 1980

The CMI came out in '79. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairlight_CMI

IMO there's certainly a Fairlight on Floodland.

interesting it is my friends..

markfiend wrote:The CMI came out in '79.

Was it ostracised by its straight friends and cut off by its disappointed parents?

stufarq wrote:

markfiend wrote:The CMI came out in '79.

Was it ostracised by its straight friends and cut off by its disappointed parents?

Only when it changed its name to fairylight

million voices wrote:

stufarq wrote:

markfiend wrote:The CMI came out in '79.

Was it ostracised by its straight friends and cut off by its disappointed parents?

Only when it changed its name to fairylight

stufarq wrote:

markfiend wrote:The CMI came out in '79.

Was it ostracised by its straight friends and cut off by its disappointed parents?

Not necessarily; this was the music industry after all, and there was a lot more tolerance there than elsewhere; I'm pretty sure the Fender Telecaster had been openly gay since the early 70s.

Jeremiah wrote:

stufarq wrote:

markfiend wrote:The CMI came out in '79.

Was it ostracised by its straight friends and cut off by its disappointed parents?

Not necessarily; this was the music industry after all, and there was a lot more tolerance there than elsewhere; I'm pretty sure the Fender Telecaster had been openly gay since the early 70s.

Especially that cream coloured one. Seen it a lot round the necks of Toto, Marillion, Status Quo and the Korgis I think.

dinky daisy wrote:Especially that cream coloured one. Seen it a lot round the necks of Toto, Marillion, Status Quo and the Korgis I think.

Hussy.











Oh no, his was red.

True. He borrowed it from the guitarplayer of King.

Only just looked into this thread. I reckon that really was Pat Morrisson... what a shame you were so rude to her. You could have got soem intersting Q&A on her Sisters years.

This lady has been involved with three great bands. I think she deserved better, even if her own tone was combative.

Mokarran wrote:Only just looked into this thread. I reckon that really was Pat Morrisson... what a shame you were so rude to her. You could have got soem intersting Q&A on her Sisters years.

This lady has been involved with three great bands. I think she deserved better, even if her own tone was combative.

She shouldn't feel special - we're rude to everyone!

Mokarran wrote:I reckon that really was Pat Morrisson.

Orly?

PatriciaVanian wrote:Now let me get back to this bucket of chicken I was eating.

Indeed!

markfiend wrote:

PatriciaVanian wrote:Now let me get back to this bucket of chicken I was eating.

That's how we know that it's for real!

Mokarran wrote:Only just looked into this thread. I reckon that really was Pat Morrisson... what a shame you were so rude to her.

Let's not tar everyone with the same brush now!

My opinion on Patricia has already been recorded.

Off topic, Tim S, but why such a background? If you took the local Burger King or bowling centre it would've been so much greater. There's nothing wrong with your looks, but damn, this church... thing. Why?

Hmm, let me recall. We were driving back from a gig in Wolverhampton, and passed this church, half-destroyed by fire. Our driver/photographer/drunk bassist wrangler thought it would be a good spot for a quick impromptu photo-shoot, and we agreed.

Legion don't purport to have a spiritual agenda, and aren't taking photos for shock value, significant references, or cryptic analogies.
We take pictures for fun and games.

Hate to off-topic a Heartland thread - no, seriously - when it's about the band. Feel free to PM anything else...

Hope this clears it up!

if Pat played bass on the record or not, I care not. if she did, great. if she didn't, well, the record sounds fine as it is - and that's what matters. I reckon a lot of bass was played by human hands - whose hands, I care not.

timsinister wrote:Hmm, let me recall. We were driving back from a gig in Wolverhampton, and passed this church, half-destroyed by fire. Our driver/photographer/drunk bassist wrangler thought it would be a good spot for a quick impromptu photo-shoot, and we agreed.

Tim, is that church just outside the centre of Walsall, it looks very familiar.

I doubt that was Patricia posting, to be honest. Even before the fried chicken comment. She generally seems a bit more..calm, perhaps.
Mind you, if I'd read a forum thread calling me names I doubt I'd be that pleased.
Wonder if the people calling her "Fat Pat" have won any beauty contests?
Unlikely as the average Sisters fan is middle-aged and from the North of England. All lard butties and gingivitus.
As for what went on between them, I've always assumed she took a contract on trust and found out she wasn't entitled to the money she assumed she was. As for Eldritch's reasons for getting rid of her, I always got the impression Eldo liked her and she wasn't interested (and sorry, maybe in a dim light and with his mouth shut he's attractive. Otherwise he's just a skinny junkie with bad teeth, however good his tunes are.).
I always felt bad for her and thought she was treated pretty shabbily. Still, she's not exactly alone in that, now is she?

DeWinter wrote: ..as for Eldritch's reasons for getting rid of her, I always got the impression Eldo liked her and she wasn't interested (and sorry, maybe in a dim light and with his mouth shut he's attractive. Otherwise he's just a skinny junkie with bad teeth, however good his tunes are.).
I always felt bad for her and thought she was treated pretty shabbily. Still, she's not exactly alone in that, now is she?

..are you kidding me?? ..skinny junkie..man! f**k off!:eek:

Even it was her..I´m pretty sure, she wouldn't be able to talk about anything.. You're probably aware of it.
Not to put too fine a point on it, I´m sure it wasn´t Pat..